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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
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| It's another tangent - while facebook may be "just another way of communicating" in some manner there is quite a lot of writing to the contrary on how technology is anything but neutral or the impact of changing technologies on culture and attitudes. |
Yeah, a lot of self-aggrandizing words from academics looking for the next sky-is-falling proclamation.
Any new form of communication causes a change in interaction methods and etiquette, and culture absorbs the things that people like and use, and discards the things that people don't, and everntually an equilibrium is reached until the next great technoligical upheaval and the process starts all over again.
And the world doesn't collapse at any stage in that process.
In fact, I think people make too much of Facebook one way or the other. It is a business like any other that will live and die on its popularity with consumers. And the only way it can remain popular is by giving them what they want. So I don't agree with people bemoaning Facebook for changing the culture of communication - instead, it is mainly providing a vehicle to allow people to communicate in a way that they like, in other words giving voice to an already internalised social need. Facebook hasn't created us - we created Facebook.
And as such, targeting the service as someothing evil is mere personal grandstanding, a look-at-my-individuality plea. Most normal people who don't like Facebook don't use it and live their lives. They don't go all over the web talking to strangers about how much they don't like it, as if talking to strangers over the internet and receiving their approbation is a higher calling, or something. |
Yes, I agree, we'd want to avoid a lot of self-aggrandizing words on the subject. |
How much of my post is about me? I'm responding to you directly, not starting a new thread about it. This is what you call a conversation.
Now, if you are the type of person who automatically assumes anyone disagreeing with you is simply trying to prove themselves superior, then you have (a) a weird sense of self, or (b) don't know what self-aggrandizing means. |
Well it's been a busy morning for you straightening out academic nonsense so I appreciate your taking the time to set me straight on what makes a conversation as well as definitions.  |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| tideout wrote: |
| Well it's been a busy morning for you straightening out academic nonsense so I appreciate your taking the time to set me straight on what makes a conversation as well as definitions. |
Well, if you needed the help, I'm glad to provide it. Took me, what, 5 minutes to write. I seriously hope that a passage of that length doesn't represent a busy mornings work for you. |
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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it's been a busy morning for you straightening out academic nonsense so I appreciate your taking the time to set me straight on what makes a conversation as well as definitions. |
Well, if you needed the help, I'm glad to provide it. Took me, what, 5 minutes to write. I seriously hope that a passage of that length doesn't represent a busy mornings work for you. |
Nah, thanks for checking though. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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slothrop,
McLuhan's a great writer on the subject of technology beyond the obvious content that people often focus on. Did you read this particular book or any other books by him? |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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nope, just perusing him on the net. i think his ideas are interesting concerning the true subject is not the content but the effect the medium has on the viewer. IE in the age of facebook and internet where people volunteer for loss of privacy does that carry over to voluntarily submiting to random drug testing and producing CRC's. over and over again.LOL
like the attitude 'if you've got nothing to hide, then why not just let them come on in and take alook around?'
and how the people who want to come on in have come to expect this attitude as the new normal. creeeeepy.
ps. i do like the internet and email. it's like having a library and post office right in your home. |
I don't agree. Facebook is no different than going outside and posting your photos on a public bulletin board for everyone else to see. Now, the privacy controls then limit this analogy to something more akin to plastering your house with photos and then choosing who to invite in, but I have no sympathy for anyone getting in trouble at work or whatever because they were too dumb to use privacy fliters or think of the consequences.
Personally, I don't put anything on my profile, even in the protected parts, that might get me in shit with anyone important (employers, mostly), because that's just common sense. It's like, of you went out drinking with friends, you wouldn't slag off your boss unless you were 100% sure that it would get back to them - and if it did, well, that was the risk you took by doing so.
Same with Facebook. It's the internet, so its not 100%, so be smart about what you post.
Now, this in no way gives employers the right to see anything not expressly posted for public viewing, and they have no right whatsoever to ask for passwords and access to secure parts of the profile. That there is just bullshit, but its not the fault of Facebook - it is the fault of employers thinking that just because all this information about an employee is potentially one click away (rather than in the past being a matter of say a private investigator, or a bit of B & E) it is now acceptable to ask for it. That makes no sense whatsoever, and they are wrong to ask for it.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Interesting topic. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I joined under pressure and absolutely hated it until I found out how to force it to never send me email again.
Now my account sits there largely ignored gathering posts from high school friends' wives concerning their precious childrens' antics. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think facebook is a great way to keep in touch with people, especially when you're living on the other side of the world... I got it when I was in college (and it was just for college students, lol) and never post anything bad or use curse words or even post bad news... I can chat with my friends and my mother can feel like she is part of my daily life, even though we can't see each other.
Turn off email notifications, unsubscribe from (you don't have to unfriend them) your rambly friends/ acquaintances, and don't post anything that you wouldn't want your boss to see (or your mother... or your grandmother, if you're like me, lol). |
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