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intergalactic



Joined: 19 May 2003
Location: Brisbane

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah! Let's have a pregnant women's lunch!
Last weekend in May?
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

sonofthedarkstranger wrote:

My wife got pregnant while we were in korea. We just KNEW that our baby wasn't going to be born there. Frankly, we just thought it would be scary.


How very scientific of you. Rolling Eyes

You know, until you've actually tried it, you probably shouldn't comment. It's annoyingly similar to how Koreans talk about Africans when they've never even met or seen a black person.
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peppergirl



Joined: 07 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

intergalactic wrote:
Yeah! Let's have a pregnant women's lunch!
Last weekend in May?


Count me in!
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flutieflakes



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma,

korean medicine at its best...............

friend of mine's father in early stages of stomach cancer, doctor tells him to eat plenty of kimchi (no joke) because of course it cures everything.............DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!............one of the leading causes of stomach cancer is eating spiced, fermented, pickled food which kimchi is............good you say?????????............perhaps a little misleading and biased in their beliefs.............
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you find the information that spicy foods cause stomach cancer? I've checked about 12 sites and virtually all of them say either "no" or "the jury is still out."
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flutieflakes



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Researchers have learned that some people are more likely than others to develop stomach cancer. The disease is found most often in people over age 55. It affects men twice as often as women and is more common in black people than in white people. Also, stomach cancer is more common in some parts of the world, such as Japan, Korea, parts of Eastern Europe, and Latin America, than in the United States. People in these areas eat many foods that are preserved by drying, smoking, salting, or pickling. Scientists believe that eating foods preserved in these ways may play a role in the development of stomach cancer. On the other hand, fresh foods (especially fresh fruits and vegetables and properly frozen or refrigerated fresh foods) may protect against this disease.

from medicinenet.com

hence the word preservede and pickled......sure the jury may still be out, but wouldn't some prevention be advised especially in areas such as korea and latin america where much food is eaten this way??????
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peppergirl



Joined: 07 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Smoking - certain types of stomach cancers are four times more likely in smokers than non-smokers.


How about this factor?
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sonofthedarkstranger



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
sonofthedarkstranger wrote:

My wife got pregnant while we were in korea. We just KNEW that our baby wasn't going to be born there. Frankly, we just thought it would be scary.


How very scientific of you. Rolling Eyes

You know, until you've actually tried it, you probably shouldn't comment. It's annoyingly similar to how Koreans talk about Africans when they've never even met or seen a black person.


I think what I said is perfectly reasonable. I never said I conducted a scientific study on it. I was talking about something very personal. My wife was pregant. Mixed in with all the excitement, there was a bit of fear. Perfectly natural, especially for a first birth. It was entirely her decision but I happened to agree, we'd be more comfortable doing it in an English speaking country.

I had no reason to believe the nurses and doctors at the hospital would speak good English. We lived in Iksan, 2 hours south of Seoul. Not a whole lot of English spoken down there. Communication is key in a birthing situation. You can't have the doctor fumbling through a dictionary. The doctor my wife saw for pre-natal visits at "Miju Bebe," the only doctor at the clinic who spoke any English at all, wasn't that good at English. Her English was better than my Korean, but that's not saying much.

Moreover, the feeling of being an outsider/waygugin is more amplified in Iksan than it is in Seoul. I'm sure the doctors would have been very professional, I shouldn't have made the comment about them talking aout waygugins. But the making-a-big-deal-of-waygugins thing is VERY prevalent in Iksan. It's not malicious, it just makes you feel funny sometimes, and I imagine if you look like you've got a watermelon up your dress, it's even worse. We just didn't want to deal with that and the language barrier, we just wanted a relaxed and comfortable as possible birth for our baby. The thought of giving birth in Iksan scared us.

Didn't the doctor tell you "no epidurals in Korea?" We didn't want to go through that! I'm sure you can understand that.

I hope you didn't say that about "until you've tried it" because I'm a man and that bars me from having any kind of perspective on childbirth whatsoever, cuz thats a crock of ____ if ever i heard one.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flutieflakes, I was taking issue with your statement about spicy food being one of the LEADING causes of stomach cancer, NOT the issue of whether the doctor should have encouraged him to eat it. NO website (that I have found anyway) says that it is a LEADING cause.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

sonofthedarkstranger wrote:

Didn't the doctor tell you "no epidurals in Korea?" We didn't want to go through that! I'm sure you can understand that.


No, he didn't tell me that. Why would he? It isn't true. I had an epidural and it was quite enjoyable and effective. (Okay, the nurse did initially try to tell me I hadn't labored enough without it, but then I grabbed her lovely starched collar and shoved her nose in the bag of vomit I had just produced from sheer pain. I had the epidural guy come in about twenty minutes later.)
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peppergirl



Joined: 07 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

sonofthedarkstranger wrote:

Didn't the doctor tell you "no epidurals in Korea?" We didn't want to go through that! I'm sure you can understand that.


First time to hear this... I know in Japan most hospitals don't give epidurals (several of my friends can testify...). They think it might have some bad effect on the baby (letting labour drag for 1-3 days is of course not bad for the baby at all Confused ), and the comment I got from some (male) Japanese is 'if you don't feel the pain, you don't feel like you are really becoming a mother'. Yeah right.

Although in general Japan is more developed than Korea, I feel much more comfortable giving birth here than I would in Japan! Really heard some terrible (first-hand stories) about medical care there... Or how would you like the OB/GYN finding 2 pieces of gauze inside you 1 month after you gave birth Shocked
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flutieflakes



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

look again ajuma........its all over the place............these are the same quacks who go on the news and tell you that yes, you will die if you leave the fan on all night.............give me a break
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Mosley



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi solves all of the world's problems....
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phaedrus



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flutieflakes wrote:
look again ajuma........its all over the place............these are the same quacks who go on the news and tell you that yes, you will die if you leave the fan on all night.............give me a break


If I went to play in the rain when I was a child I would catch cold, if I went swimming after eating I would get cramps and drown (actually best not to even touch the water), bread crust would help me whistle or put hair on my chest (as would many things I didn't like), an apple a day kept the doctor away, when I was older a vegetarian diet would kill me because it lacks essential proteins.

The whole world has quacks.
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sonofthedarkstranger



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corp,

OK, I thought I remembered you saying once that the doctor or nurse said "no epidurals in Korea," but then ended up letting you have one. I guess my memory is inaccurate or I misunderstood.

Peppergirl,

note that I was wrong. Evidently they do give epidurals in Korea.



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'if you don't feel the pain, you don't feel like you are really becoming a mother'.


haha...that kills me.
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