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edwardcatflap
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| Shame on anyone here who thinks that documentary was evil who's having a go at the people who could be bothered to get out there and protest. They have my total respect. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| It is illegal to protest while on an E2. Yeah the placards in English,look arrogant and just give ammunition to the anti-foreigner crowd. |
Yes, I agree. In fact, the same thought crossed me mind while looking at an English-only petition that popped up today.. |
The thing is, whether consciously or not, the English signs send the message "We don't have to adjust to local circumstances, because our language is understood the world over".
If it were Koreans in North America protesting, they would just automatically know that all-Korean signs wouldn't fly, because the vast majority of their intended audience wouldn't understand the message. So they'd bow to the majority language, and do the signs in English. Or German if they were in Germany, etc. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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And it only feeds into the underlying image cooked up by the media that Western foreigners are arrogant and disrespectful of the local culture.
Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario.
I think there needs to be some soul-searching on that aspect. |
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sml7285
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
And it only feeds into the underlying image cooked up by the media that Western foreigners are arrogant and disrespectful of the local culture.
Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario.
I think there needs to be some soul-searching on that aspect. |
Most of the racism in Korea is against migrant workers anyways. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| If it were Koreans in North America protesting, they would just automatically know that all-Korean signs wouldn't fly, because the vast majority of their intended audience wouldn't understand the message. So they'd bow to the majority language, and do the signs in English. Or German if they were in Germany, etc. |
Similarly, immigrant protests in the U.S. were smart enough to feature a large number of American flags, and to strongly discourage the presentation of the flags of the immigrants' home countries. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario. |
Actually they did/ do and believe it or not it was a hit at the time (pre-xenophobo-mania).
He's still in town too. I recently saw him walking around the Dogok area about two weeks ago.
I can't for the life of me remember his name though. He was on TV in the early 2000s from what I remember. Mike, maybe?
Anyone remember this character? I'm assuming he's living or working somewhere in Dogok. From what I recall he's teaching Korean grammar at a Korean high school & doing some side work on TV teaching English/Korean.
And when I saw him two weeks ago, yes, he was still wearing the same gray hanbok. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario. |
Actually they did/ do and believe it or not it was a hit at the time (pre-xenophobo-mania).
He's still in town too. I recently saw him walking around the Dogok area about two weeks ago.
I can't for the life of me remember his name though. He was on TV in the early 2000s from what I remember. Mike, maybe?
Anyone remember this character? I'm assuming he's living or working somewhere in Dogok. From what I recall he's teaching Korean grammar at a Korean high school & doing some side work on TV teaching English/Korean.
And when I saw him two weeks ago, yes, he was still wearing the same gray hanbok. |
By hit-piece, I meant a negative report. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario. |
Actually they did/ do and believe it or not it was a hit at the time (pre-xenophobo-mania).
He's still in town too. I recently saw him walking around the Dogok area about two weeks ago.
I can't for the life of me remember his name though. He was on TV in the early 2000s from what I remember. Mike, maybe?
Anyone remember this character? I'm assuming he's living or working somewhere in Dogok. From what I recall he's teaching Korean grammar at a Korean high school & doing some side work on TV teaching English/Korean.
And when I saw him two weeks ago, yes, he was still wearing the same gray hanbok. |
By hit-piece, I meant a negative report. |
They didn't quite vilify him, but they sure did throw him off as soon as this anti-foreign sentiment went viral. Same with other non-Asian personalities. You barely ever see them anymore. The sad result is that many kids who are not ethnically Asian growing up here have few celebs with whom they can relate in media or entertainment. In fact, I'd go as far as to say many have none. It's a sad, horrible reality for that blue-eyed doll or nappy-headed cutie, both of whom have nearly no one to relate to or generally aspire to become. Because, believe it or not, the world isn't blind...and those little things matter much for people who happen to be different.
So in many ways, I'd have to say that speaks much in terms of the general sentiment on non-ethnic Koreans and their (new) place in the sun. A sad affair indeed. |
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sml7285
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
And it only feeds into the underlying image cooked up by the media that Western foreigners are arrogant and disrespectful of the local culture.
Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario.
I think there needs to be some soul-searching on that aspect. |
Most of the racism in Korea is against migrant workers anyways. |
Yeah, that really irks me. I don't feel much racism myself these days but when I hear how Koreans view 3D workers from SE Asia, sometimes it really is racist. Some Koreans view them as a different/lower species and everyone thinks they're dangerous, even the most open minded Koreans. |
I agree to some extent. I do think it's deplorable how they are looked down upon. The dangerous part though is sadly true. The percentage of migrant workers who commit crimes is disproportionately high. Whether that's caused by racial profiling, I don't know. But a majority of crimes caused by foreigners are indeed caused by migrant workers. |
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northway
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| SML, I think that the disproportionality is closely tied to how ethnic Korean Chinese are counted. If you count them as Koreans when they're curing cancer then count them as foreigners when they're chopping up women it tends to skew the numbers a bit. |
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r122925
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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But a majority of crimes caused by foreigners are indeed caused by migrant workers. |
Migrant workers make up a majority of the foreign population. Why would it be surprising that they are responsible for the majority of the crimes committed by foreigners? This is roughly the same as saying Koreans are dangerous because the majority of crimes in Korea are committed by Koreans. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario. |
Actually they did/ do and believe it or not it was a hit at the time (pre-xenophobo-mania).
He's still in town too. I recently saw him walking around the Dogok area about two weeks ago.
I can't for the life of me remember his name though. He was on TV in the early 2000s from what I remember. Mike, maybe?
Anyone remember this character? I'm assuming he's living or working somewhere in Dogok. From what I recall he's teaching Korean grammar at a Korean high school & doing some side work on TV teaching English/Korean.
And when I saw him two weeks ago, yes, he was still wearing the same gray hanbok. |
By hit-piece, I meant a negative report. |
They didn't quite vilify him, but they sure did throw him off as soon as this anti-foreign sentiment went viral. Same with other non-Asian personalities. You barely ever see them anymore. The sad result is that many kids who are not ethnically Asian growing up here have few celebs with whom they can relate in media or entertainment. In fact, I'd go as far as to say many have none. It's a sad, horrible reality for that blue-eyed doll or nappy-headed cutie, both of whom have nearly no one to relate to or generally aspire to become. Because, believe it or not, the world isn't blind...and those little things matter much for people who happen to be different.
So in many ways, I'd have to say that speaks much in terms of the general sentiment on non-ethnic Koreans and their (new) place in the sun. A sad affair indeed. |
Yeah, its a shame that the kids here can't turn on the TV and see Harry Potter, Wayne Rooney, Beyonce, The cast of CSI, Fashion Models, National Geographic experts, world leaders, or anything like that on Korea. Only Korean faces.
Yup, none of the Korean kids worship foreigners either. No one here wants to be the next Lionel Messi or Michael Jordon or Brad Pitt. Just Korean celebs.
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| It's a sad, horrible reality for that blue-eyed doll or nappy-headed cutie, both of whom have nearly no one to relate to or generally aspire to become. Because, believe it or not, the world isn't blind...and those little things matter much for people who happen to be different. |
Yeah, how all those Asians in the US managed to do it without a bunch of people to point to on TV is beyond me.
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| They didn't quite vilify him, but they sure did throw him off as soon as this anti-foreign sentiment went viral. |
Yeah, the same way Nexen Ted has been run out of the ballpark...oh wait... |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| r122925 wrote: |
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But a majority of crimes caused by foreigners are indeed caused by migrant workers. |
Migrant workers make up a majority of the foreign population. Why would it be surprising that they are responsible for the majority of the crimes committed by foreigners? This is roughly the same as saying Koreans are dangerous because the majority of crimes in Korea are committed by Koreans. |
And unless the statistics have changed, the crime rate (per capita) among the foreign population is actually less than the crime rate of the Korean population. |
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sml7285
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| r122925 wrote: |
| sml7285 wrote: |
But a majority of crimes caused by foreigners are indeed caused by migrant workers. |
Migrant workers make up a majority of the foreign population. Why would it be surprising that they are responsible for the majority of the crimes committed by foreigners? This is roughly the same as saying Koreans are dangerous because the majority of crimes in Korea are committed by Koreans. |
And unless the statistics have changed, the crime rate (per capita) among the foreign population is actually less than the crime rate of the Korean population. |
Like it was previously stated, it depends on how one classifies a migrant, ethnically Korean worker from China (Manchuria/Manju).
There has been a huge rise in crimes by Chinese ethnic Koreans who are working in Korea on F4 visas and considering them foreigners (living in a country having entered on a foreign passport = foreigner?) leads to a per capita crime rate for foreigners to be higher than domestic Koreans.
Saw these stats in the Chosun Ilbo a while back. Can't seem to find the article. |
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dongjak
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ethnic Koreans from China are not on F-4 visas, they are on H-2 visas. F-4 visas are for ethinic Koreans from rich countries. |
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