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So What Happened at This SILENT Protest at MBC Today?
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3DR

Joined: 24 May 2009

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject:

madoka wrote:

Is it just me, or did the guy with his wife misspell "victim" on his sign?

lol "victem"

pegasus64128

Joined: 20 Aug 2011

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: foreign partners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munhwa_Broadcasting_Corporation#Foreign_partners

Son Deureo!

Joined: 30 Apr 2003

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:20 pm Post subject:

Interesting. I've just submitted the following to CBS' (MBC's American "foreign partner) "Feedback" page. http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.php

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I am an American English teacher living and teaching in South Korea. As you're probably aware, the South Korean TV network Munhwa Broadcasting Company (MBC) lists CBS as a "foreign partner." What your network may not be aware of, however, is the level of distorted and prejudicial "journalism" that MBC is willing to broadcast as "news." Here's a link to a video clip that MBC recently aired titled "The Shocking Reality About Relationships With Foreigners."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNHYYrvMrk

We'll see what response, if any, I get.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject:

[quote="Steelrails"]

rchristo10 wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

rchristo10 wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

Korean media doesn't do any hit pieces on that guy who speaks fluent Korean and minces around in hanbok as some sort of in costume lothario.

Actually they did/ do and believe it or not it was a hit at the time (pre-xenophobo-mania).

He's still in town too. I recently saw him walking around the Dogok area about two weeks ago.

I can't for the life of me remember his name though. He was on TV in the early 2000s from what I remember. Mike, maybe?

Anyone remember this character? I'm assuming he's living or working somewhere in Dogok. From what I recall he's teaching Korean grammar at a Korean high school & doing some side work on TV teaching English/Korean.

And when I saw him two weeks ago, yes, he was still wearing the same gray hanbok.

By hit-piece, I meant a negative report.

They didn't quite vilify him, but they sure did throw him off as soon as this anti-foreign sentiment went viral. Same with other non-Asian personalities. You barely ever see them anymore. The sad result is that many kids who are not ethnically Asian growing up here have few celebs with whom they can relate in media or entertainment. In fact, I'd go as far as to say many have none. It's a sad, horrible reality for that blue-eyed doll or nappy-headed cutie, both of whom have nearly no one to relate to or generally aspire to become. Because, believe it or not, the world isn't blind...and those little things matter much for people who happen to be different.

So in many ways, I'd have to say that speaks much in terms of the general sentiment on non-ethnic Koreans and their (new) place in the sun. A sad affair indeed.

Yeah, its a shame that the kids here can't turn on the TV and see Harry Potter, Wayne Rooney, Beyonce, WWE Wrestlers, The cast of CSI, Fashion Models, National Geographic experts, world leaders, or anything like that in Korea. Only Korean faces.

Yup, none of the Korean kids worship foreigners either. No one here wants to be the next Lionel Messi or Michael Jordon or Brad Pitt. Just Korean celebs.

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It's a sad, horrible reality for that blue-eyed doll or nappy-headed cutie, both of whom have nearly no one to relate to or generally aspire to become. Because, believe it or not, the world isn't blind...and those little things matter much for people who happen to be different.

Yeah, how all those Asians in the US managed to do it without a bunch of people to point to on TV is beyond me.

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They didn't quite vilify him, but they sure did throw him off as soon as this anti-foreign sentiment went viral.

Yeah, the same way Nexen Ted has been run out of the ballpark...oh wait...[

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rchristo10

Joined: 14 Jul 2009

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

rchristo10 wrote:

I mean, I really don't want to sound like a dumb a$$ white man from the US who thinks the world is so easy to relate to...but not being white and all...that would be pretty hard to do regardless. But, come on, don't you think white and black kids growing up learning and speaking and living Korean deserve to have people to relate to?

That doesn't mean just Korean, black, or white faces. It means people who were in similar situations as themselves that they can strive to become. I don't have the evidence to back this up, but I'm pretty sure that Harry Potter, Beyonce, and the cast of CSI amongst your idiotic suggestions have little in common with people like Yi soo-ni and other racially mixed people who grew up in Korea--and even less for the kids who are growing up during such racially tense times here. Shame on you for even suggesting such stupidity. And, yes, that would make you extremely stupid.

Korean kids can look up to Korean celebs or foreign celebs, their call. But to say that racially mixed kids or other non-ethnic kids growing up here have anything in common with Hollywood celebs is just being cynical, racist, and battily stupid. (You're so idiotic I had to make a word up for your way of thinking.) Shame on you.

For a guy who argues so much about minority issues. You seem totally oblivious of what it means to live and be a minority. You're no better than the racists that everyone's working against.

It's sometimes better to back up your logical claims with that learned part that you've already admitted you lack.

FYI: You perhaps don't even get it. But many non-ethnic Korean nationals actually can't even speak English and have never even stepped outside the country. They are Korean--even though they don't look at all like a Korean ethnically. They deserve to see other Koreans like them. They deserve to be treated fairly. And they deserve to be represented. And yes, that means that this non-Korean ethnic discrimination on TV (media, news, entertainment and the like) is an urgent problem that needs to be addressed now. Jellyfish.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject:

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The sad result is that many kids who are not ethnically Asian growing up here have few celebs with whom they can relate in media or entertainment. I

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I don't have the evidence to back this up, but I'm pretty sure that Harry Potter, Beyonce, and the cast of CSI amongst your idiotic suggestions

Fine, they can look to T or Hines Ward or Daniel Henny or whoever the next one will be. Or they can do like kids everywhere around the world and idolize Cristiano Ronaldo or Usain Bolt.

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But, come on, don't you think white and black kids growing up learning and speaking and living Korean deserve to have people to relate to?

They're going to have to do it the way minorities everywhere do it- The first generation or two, the examples are few and far between. That's life, it's not about what you deserve or is fair. It's about how it is.

It's okay, if I somehow managed to get through life without being able to see 10 Korean adoptees on TV in major media roles, I think they can too. My idols were the same as everyone else- Cecil Fielder, Jordan, Steve Yzerman, Barry Sanders, Capt. Picard & Lt. Cmdr Data and Mr. Sulu, Flint Fireforge, Hugh Dowding, and Robert E. Lee. Only one looked like me and that was because he had a great voice. Kids could care less- they just go for whoever rules and gets them hyped.

Seriously, if I moved to Uganda, I wouldn't be whining and moaning that the only people on TV were black Ugandans. If that was such an issue for me, I wouldn't move to Uganda.

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and even less for the kids who are growing up during such racially tense times here.

Oh please, Mississippi 1955 this is not.

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But to say that racially mixed kids or other non-ethnic kids growing up here have anything in common with Hollywood celebs is just being cynical, racist, and battily stupid.

What, there are no celebrities in Hollywood of multi-ethnic origin or who faced tough upbringings?

Those Korean kids share even less in common with them, yet they choose to identify with some white/black celebrity who doesn't even speak their language. Likewise, I think its possible for black/white kids in Korea to identify with some Korean person who at least does speak the language they are learning.

And lastly, among adult foreigners in Korea, how many exist that grew up in Korea their entire lives? Virtually none. How exactly are they going to find a role-model that truly matches them?

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You seem totally oblivious of what it means to live and be a minority.

As a minority I know enough about minority issues to know that things aren't always going to be fair and you can't get hysterical over everything and start blaming the media for your condition in life. I had to listen to the same crap from Asians back home who would whine about media portrayals and how the media showed them as villains or de-sexualized nerds or whatever and that's why their life was so "terrible". Please, what a joke. I know Asians back home who looked the nerd, but got the girls simply by having the guts to open their mouth and chat up a lass. Media didn't matter then. As far as their life being table and things being unfair- They were living in a 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath house and had their own car to drive to in H.S. and were off to college and in all likelihood a 70k a year job after that. Yeah, some unfair life.

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And they deserve to be represented. And yes, that means that this non-Korean ethnic discrimination on TV (media, news, entertainment and the like) is an urgent problem that needs to be addressed now.

For the .001% of the child population that is of pure non-Asian descent in Korea?

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But many non-Korean nationals actually can't even speak English and have never even stepped outside the country. They are Korean. They deserve to see other Koreans like them. They deserve to be treated fairly. And they deserve to be represented.

So what, how much would satisfy you? Because in proportion it would seem they warrant a single half-hour program on a single network.

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And yes, that means that this non-Korean ethnic discrimination on TV (media, news, entertainment and the like) is an urgent problem that needs to be addressed now.

Dude, its not urgent. The worst thing that can happen is to make some sort of fake show using fake celebs. All that would happen is some 3rd rate foreigner actor or news anchor would get on the job and be obviously third rate.

I don't look to network TV for my representation. If I want representation, I will form a community group of professionals.

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They are Korean. They deserve to see other Koreans like them. They deserve to be treated fairly.

So who is going to make that happen? Are you proposing a government law that mandates a certain number of non-Korean Koreans (whatever the heck that means) be on network TV shows?

Fortunately, I think those kids are stronger than you and can get along fine. If they find a role-model, its nice. If they don't they can find one abroad. In the meantime, they'll do like Koreans do and latch on to celebs like Park Ji Sung who break out into an area where Koreans don't have much exposure.

rchristo10

Joined: 14 Jul 2009

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:53 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

Fine, they can look to T or Hines Ward or Daniel Henny or whoever the next one will be. Or they can do like kids everywhere around the world and idolize Cristiano Ronaldo or Usain Bolt.

Hmm...what programs in Korean are you watching? These people are seldom if ever on and from what I know none of them grew up in Korea--not to mention not living in Korea. And wasn't the point that non-Asian kids living here need role models?

Steelrails wrote:

I'm a minority. I had people I could relate to growing up--my parents didn't. I take this matter seriously because I know first hand what such things can do for minorities trying to live in places where they don't have access to people they can relate to or privy to people who represent them in their particular societies.

Steelrails wrote:

It's okay, if I somehow managed to get through life without being able to see 10 Korean adoptees on TV in major media roles, I think they can too. My idols were the same as everyone else- Cecil Fielder, Jordan, Steve Yzerman, Barry Sanders, Capt. Picard & Lt. Cmdr Data and Mr. Sulu, Flint Fireforge, Hugh Dowding, and Robert E. Lee. Only one looked like me and that was because he had a great voice. Kids could care less- they just go for whoever rules and gets them hyped.

I'm quite confused here. Besides your unfounded notion that kids can relate to "whoever rules and gets the type," how exactly are you similar to these kids. Please elaborate. I have no clue what you're trying to suggest.

Interesting though. I thought it a bit strange back in the day to suggest Chinese immigrants to the US (during times when few Chinese people lived there) watch China TV and feel somehow at home in the US by simply watching people who look like them in a world far apart. Absurd indeed. How do you expect non-Koreans to feel as if they can relate to Hollywood stars who live in foreign places and speak a foreign language? Are you perhaps one of those minorities that wanted to be Bruce Lee when you were younger? Or perhaps the black girl who wanted to have the Bluest Eye Tony Morrison was writing about in the 70s? You do teach English right? With all the literature out there proving you wrong, you're honestly trying to assert that kids can relate to anyone--to understand and value their identities? You have admitted that evidence was your de facto standard. Care to re-educate us on your stance again?

Steelrails wrote:

Seriously, if I moved to Uganda, I wouldn't be whining and moaning that the only people on TV were black Ugandans. If that was such an issue for me, I wouldn't move to Uganda.

Try it. Write a book, then talk about it. Otherwise, can it for the people who nibble on your fodder. It's jellyfish food.

Steelrails wrote:

Oh please, Mississippi 1955 this is not.

Mistaken be you are, oh Yoda. Several news agencies are reporting on Korea's McCarthyism age, even today directly from the mouths that you claim feed you. You should write a rebuttal piece.

http://www.mediatoday.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=102956
http://www.dailian.co.kr/news/news_view.htm?id=291103&sc=naver&kind=menu_code&keys=1
http://news.cnbnews.com/category/read.html?bcode=189397
http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/MJ26Dg01.html

Food for your thought. McCarthyism, as you likely already know, was also associated with racism and discrimination--not to mention nationalism. So yeah, we are talking about the 1950s, just not Mississippi. But, surely you've been keeping off Dave's enough to already know this.

Steelrails wrote:

What, there are no celebrities in Hollywood of multi-ethnic origin or who faced tough upbringings?

Don't be so obtuse. Lol, it makes you look like an idiot.

Steelrails wrote:

Those Korean kids share even less in common with them, yet they choose to identify with some white/black celebrity who doesn't even speak their language. Likewise, I think its possible for black/white kids in Korea to identify with some Korean person who at least does speak the language they are learning.

But those Korean kids have a choice. And, yeah, don't ignore the evidence that it matters. Are you suggesting that all the ethnic writers that represent minorities in your USA, who have written book after book, won Pulitzer after Pulitzer, and dazzled the world with their understanding of their particular societies--societies that have mended some wounds and eased so many lives--are wrong? Shall we really say that minorities can just be minorities based on race and sort get by. Are you really that shallow-minded?

Steelrails wrote:

And lastly, among adult foreigners in Korea, how many exist that grew up in Korea their entire lives? Virtually none. How exactly are they going to find a role-model that truly matches them?

What? How did we get on adult foreigners finding role models? But I'll answer. Well, when I was living here (and still am), I watched people like Jeffrey Jones, Robert Harley, Itatoshi, Yisooni, and even Bruno & his sidekick Pochang. They inspired me to learn the language and to fully participate in the society. Perhaps their not being on TV is why you spend so much time on Dave's and still can't speak Korean after 3-4 years here. Perhaps such aspirations could change your life--who knows?

Steelrails wrote:

So all the cynicism is because you're bitter. Despite calling you jellyfish and generally not moved intellectually by anything you've ever written in reply to my comments. I'll take a break and say. I'm sorry you had to go through life that way.

Now I'll plead reason: not everyone should or needs to suffer the pains of the previous generation.

The slaves were beaten and tortured. Their off-spring lived lives of insecurity with the fear of public beatings and lynchings. And their young a life of systematized racism and discrimination. It's a process of evolution, but it's also an evolution that starts by caring less about one's own personal narrative and more about the narratives of others.

Steelrails wrote:

For the .001% of the child population that is of pure non-Asian descent in Korea?

We talked before about your odd understanding of statistics (and I could jump on this somewhat odd figure--of which I wonder how and where you obtained--but I won't). I'll just say, YES, even if it's just 0.001%, they deserved to be represented--no different than the small percentage of people living with HIV, the handicapped, or the 50 or so surviving former comfort women victims.

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Steelrails wrote:

So what, how much would satisfy you? Because in proportion it would seem they warrant a single half-hour program on a single network.

You really are bitter. That's not very nice of you. What has happened to your humanity?

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And yes, that means that this non-Korean ethnic discrimination on TV (media, news, entertainment and the like) is an urgent problem that needs to be addressed now.

Steelrails wrote:

Then why don't they?

Steelrails wrote:

I don't look to network TV for my representation. If I want representation, I will form a community group of professionals.

Ok we get it. Me, me, me. Have you ever thought this isn't about you?

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They are Korean. They deserve to see other Koreans like them. They deserve to be treated fairly.

Steelrails wrote:

So who is going to make that happen? Are you proposing a government law that mandates a certain number of non-Korean Koreans (whatever the heck that means) be on network TV shows?

No, but as you've already stated, it's not a government restriction keeping them off either. Perhaps realization via our discourses--in any and every venue as possible--like here--will make the people who do have the decisions to realize that there really is a market out their that they're not capitalizing on.

If you've been keeping up with the news, the media industry is having problems. Journalists and reports are making moves to push past the powers-that-be to liberalize their companies.

Steelrails wrote:

Fortunately, I think those kids are stronger than you and can get along fine. If they find a role-model, its nice. If they don't they can find one abroad. In the meantime, they'll do like Koreans do and latch on to celebs like Park Ji Sung who break out into an area where Koreans don't have much exposure.

Maybe they are stronger than me (and you). I hope so. We admittedly had role models we could look up to; they do not.

Koharski
Mod Team

Joined: 20 Jul 2009

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:18 am Post subject:

Rails and Christo, enough!!! If you want continue your feud, do it in PMs. And Christo, the little names (jellyfish) for other users are a violation of the TOS. Koharski

sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:31 am Post subject:

comm wrote:

On the other hand wrote:

If it were Koreans in North America protesting, they would just automatically know that all-Korean signs wouldn't fly, because the vast majority of their intended audience wouldn't understand the message. So they'd bow to the majority language, and do the signs in English. Or German if they were in Germany, etc.

Similarly, immigrant protests in the U.S. were smart enough to feature a large number of American flags, and to strongly discourage the presentation of the flags of the immigrants' home countries.

Having signs in both English and Korean would be useful in the international media.

However, you forgot to mention that US flags in South Korea are meant to be destroyed. For example: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1010&bih=699&tbm=isch&tbnid=Y59QokceotfX9M:&imgrefurl=http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/angry-koreans-chinese-netizen-reactions.html&docid=RRhBtzt8FXgrqM&imgurl=http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/angry-koreans-protests-demonstrations-09.jpg&w=900&h=600&ei=inbUT93ZD4_g8ASlpL3OAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=122&vpy=153&dur=1023&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=109&ty=211&sig=114261460978595544041&page=1&tbnh=155&tbnw=238&start=0&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:73

Examples of past Korean protests: http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/angry-koreans-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Protesting makes Koreans hungry. They refuel with American beef: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1010&bih=699&tbm=isch&tbnid=xAlw4uvMMmNsRM:&imgrefurl=http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/category/topic/trade&docid=nFFgDAhzFADhLM&imgurl=http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/081203_usbeef.jpg&w=525&h=347&ei=pXXUT5_VOZGW8gTotsjOAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=695&vpy=83&dur=1326&hovh=182&hovw=276&tx=84&ty=206&sig=114261460978595544041&page=2&tbnh=152&tbnw=203&start=12&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:12,i:136. These places are always packed when selling A-beef.

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