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e1278l
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: Quitting notice before 6 months |
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I am in the following situation:
I am not at six months, but I am looking to put my two months notice in, which will have me leaving past the six month mark. I have something at home that is becoming increasingly important that really should be taken care of ASAP. My hagwon is pretty good, but that is not to say there have not been issues. From what I have read, general consensus is that you can be fired on the spot before six months; no notice is required. I also read something contradictory to this on EFL-Law's Deceptive Practices section, but could not find anything supporting said section (in English). The English contract states there will be no termination without two written warnings, neither of which I have received. Also, I learned there was a teacher that left in similar timing conditions without any issues.
Can anyone shed light on my options? I'm really confused at this point. Thanks. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Anything could happen. If you trust your employer, then tell them about your situation back home or at least mention something "serious" is happening/has happened.
I have doubts you have something which is exactly 2 months away, unless it's something like a pregnancy.
So, I would just work with them on this. If they get a replacement teacher for example, you might need to go in 1 month or so. If they want to fire you, then tell them after you get paid, then just leave earlier. |
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plchron
Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Just pull a runner. Save yourself some angst and the burden for those couple months that you would have after giving notice.
The day after payday, "big family emergency, must leave immediately, goodbye." |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| plchron wrote: |
Just pull a runner. Save yourself some angst and the burden for those couple months that you would have after giving notice.
The day after payday, "big family emergency, must leave immediately, goodbye." |
This, kind of. Unless you'll feel guilty about putting the school in a tough situation, then what benefit will you get from staying a full 6 months? Do you really need the money? If not, then the only gain you'll get from it is making money. The negatives outweigh the positives every time. They can make your life a living hell, and then stiff you if you are leaving anyways. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| They can make your life a living hell, and then stiff you if you are leaving anyways. |
If you pull a runner, you are doing the stiffing. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:06 am Post subject: |
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If you're thinking of pulling a runner, consider what day of the month you get paid on. Do you get paid on the first of the month? On the 10th? Later?
If you get paid in the first 10 days, then just give them your reason (with 2 months notice) the day after you get your salary. If they make problems for you after you give your notice, then plan your exit for around mid-month. If you leave midway through the month they you'll basically be forfeiting the salary for the couple weeks you worked. Even if you come back later, you'll have a hard time fighting for it. But you can leave with a clear conscience. The plane ticket that you should normally have paid back will have been paid back by the half month's salary you didn't get.
If they are ok with you leaving, then work the last two months and head out. Just pay attention to their attitude after you give notice. It's not unheard of for them to fire a teacher later if they find a replacement or just out of spite. But only you can judge whether they're going to do that or not. Just watch for it as you approach the following payday. You might also want to make it clear to them that if they DO find a teacher to start before the 2 months, that you're ok with leaving early. It's better for you to tell them that then for them to just spring it on you because they didn't want to spook you before your replacement arrived. Either way, they'll hire the person and fire you when he/she arrives - best if you at least know when that will be.
Good luck with it. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds bad and I wouldn't want to be in the situation myself, but given the number of stories of hagwons ripping off their workers I would suggest the old 'Do one to others before they do one to you' motto. |
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bbunce
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Give them 2 months notice just like your contract says. Also, let them know what your last day of work will be and that it is absolutely the last day. Explain to them what the emergency is and that your sorry you have to break the contract. This is doing the right thing and you just never know, you might need them as a reference. That's what I did and I left on excellent terms. The director even offered me a future position for the company if I wanted it. If you pull a runner, you'll be blacklisted and your chances of returning are slim to none. |
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Whitey Otez
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: The suburbs of Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Not to be contrary, but every time someone pulls a runner, foreigners as a whole get labeled unprofessional by yet another school. If you need to go, just tell the boss. If they fire you for giving notice, then you're released either way. There's nothing to stiff you on, but you should expect to be paying your own way out. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Whitey Otez wrote: |
| Not to be contrary, but every time someone pulls a runner, foreigners as a whole get labeled unprofessional by yet another school. |
And most of the time it's a school that didn't respect their teachers anyway. That's the biggest reason people leave - lack of respect from their employer.
The way I look at it, every time someone tells their boss to shove it, foreigners as a whole get labeled as unwilling to bend over and take it.
| Whitey Otez wrote: |
| If you need to go, just tell the boss. If they fire you for giving notice, then you're released either way. There's nothing to stiff you on, but you should expect to be paying your own way out. |
It's not just that you can get fired. If that was the only ill consequence, it wouldn't really matter much. The problem is that you might get terminated right there on the spot and told to go home and clear out your apartment. OR you might arrive home the next day to find that your boss did it for you, or changed the locks. You might end up working for a whole month and not receive your last salary. Your boss might report you to immi as having quit/been fired today and not bother telling you until a few weeks later or not at all.... have fun explaining that at the airport. If nothing else, your boss might try to yell at you or intimidate you. If these things sound unlikely, just read through the posts on this forum and you can find plenty of examples of these and other things that employers try. |
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dmillika
Joined: 24 Nov 2011
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Whitey Otez wrote: |
| Not to be contrary, but every time someone pulls a runner, foreigners as a whole get labeled unprofessional by yet another school. If you need to go, just tell the boss. If they fire you for giving notice, then you're released either way. There's nothing to stiff you on, but you should expect to be paying your own way out. |
I wouldn't blanket-label all runners as unprofessional. Most runners are done because a school gives no regard to the contract they signed. Why are runners the ones labeled unprofessional if they are the ones getting screwed by a shady boss? Who cares if some random crappy director labels him "unprofessional" - the director is just going to find some other NET to pull the same crap on.
Showing these people that a foreigner isn't going to put up with their shit is a good thing. The schools who screw people over already have zero respect for foreigners - who honestly cares what these schools feel?
However, I do agree with your point if the school has been fair and treated the person well. If that is the case, then yeah, it is unprofessional to run on them. Give the required notice and leave when its done. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| plchron wrote: |
Just pull a runner. Save yourself some angst and the burden for those couple months that you would have after giving notice.
The day after payday, "big family emergency, must leave immediately, goodbye." |
If the OP worked at a public school, then submitting notice is advisable. But more hogwans than not have cheated teachers (in terms of pay) after notice was submitted (sources: friends here). So in this case, a runner may not be a bad idea. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Whitey Otez wrote: |
| Not to be contrary, but every time someone pulls a runner, foreigners as a whole get labeled unprofessional by yet another school. If you need to go, just tell the boss. If they fire you for giving notice, then you're released either way. There's nothing to stiff you on, but you should expect to be paying your own way out. |
Don't worry about that  Leave when you feel it is necessary. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Until they clean up this place and act civilized with the teachers that come here I would have no qualms pulling a runner.
You put in that two month notice and "wait it out" till the end watch how awful things become. Don't say I didn't warn ya. |
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therockery
Joined: 25 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Every school and situation is different. Trust your judgment. You've worked with the management for months now. You should have a sense of what kind of people they are. |
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