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VTsoi
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Only on Dave's would something so innocuous turn into pooponKoreaFest.
Its surely not because of his ideas, he's popular because he's connected to the Ivy Leagues. (Which by the way is a slavish tendency of superficial Koreans)
After all, US audiences support plenty of public intellectuals that teach at community college and Northern Michigan State right? |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| VTsoi wrote: |
Only on Dave's would something so innocuous turn into pooponKoreaFest.
Its surely not because of his ideas, he's popular because he's connected to the Ivy Leagues. (Which by the way is a slavish tendency of superficial Koreans)
After all, US audiences support plenty of public intellectuals that teach at community college and Northern Michigan State right? |
Do you think he would be getting the attention he does if he came out of UMich, Rice, or UNC? Name recognition definitely matters. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| VTsoi wrote: |
Only on Dave's would something so innocuous turn into pooponKoreaFest.
Its surely not because of his ideas, he's popular because he's connected to the Ivy Leagues. (Which by the way is a slavish tendency of superficial Koreans)
After all, US audiences support plenty of public intellectuals that teach at community college and Northern Michigan State right? |
Do you think he would be getting the attention he does if he came out of UMich, Rice, or UNC? Name recognition definitely matters. |
Eh. UNC is pretty worthless anyways. Four years at that place and I'm coming out less intelligent than I went in. |
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VTsoi
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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[quote="northway"]
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| Name recognition definitely matters. |
You just blew my mind. What a strange country we live in. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Same guy, same book, same message yet if he was from University of Michigan that would mean about 15 people in Seoul, not 15,000. |
Reminds me a very old SNL skit where Picasso is in a restaurant and he blows his nose in a napkin, hands it to the waiter, saying there that should be worth a few grand at least. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, simply drawing a crowd proves nothing. That's all about marketing.
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In a survey conducted last month by Seoul's Asan Institute with questions from Mr. Sandel, 74% of respondents said Korean society was unfair.
In the U.S., Mr. Sandel's own survey found 38% felt American society was unfair.
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He's asking relevant questions but what are HIS answers? What does he propose people do? Is it just a vague call for more honesty? Or is he just slinging the bull? |
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CaliUSA
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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I found the following link helpful for explaining why Koreans might like a communitarian political philosopher like Sandel, as opposed to a liberal social-contract thinker like John Rawls. It's an entry on "communitarianism" from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. The writer does a good job describing points of overlap between East Asian Confucian philosophy and the Western communitarian thinkers.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/communitarianism/ |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| VTsoi wrote: |
Only on Dave's would something so innocuous turn into pooponKoreaFest.
Its surely not because of his ideas, he's popular because he's connected to the Ivy Leagues. (Which by the way is a slavish tendency of superficial Koreans)
After all, US audiences support plenty of public intellectuals that teach at community college and Northern Michigan State right? |
Gonna have to agree here. Taking an interest in modern thinkers and ideas, no matter how superficial it may be for some, can hardly be a bad thing. And while 15,000 seat public lectures in the US aren't very popular, things like TED talks are very popular. And public intellectuals like Chomsky, Krugman, Pinker, etc (who tend to mostly be from the Ivies, or other well-known schools like Stanford/MIT/etc) have large followings. |
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slothrop
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| And public intellectuals like Chomsky, Krugman, Pinker, etc (who tend to mostly be from the Ivies, or other well-known schools like Stanford/MIT/etc) have large followings. |
Krugman is an idiot. Except for his theories on International Economics, which are brilliant. But every other opinion he has on any other subject should be immediately discounted. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Same guy, same book, same message yet if he was from University of Michigan that would mean about 15 people in Seoul, not 15,000. |
Maybe, maybe not. UofM is pretty well regarded here as well.
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Only on Dave's would something so innocuous turn into pooponKoreaFest.
Its surely not because of his ideas, he's popular because he's connected to the Ivy Leagues. (Which by the way is a slavish tendency of superficial Koreans)
After all, US audiences support plenty of public intellectuals that teach at community college and Northern Michigan State right? |
Yeah, I think some of this is just sour grapes people have to the Ivys. They aren't everything, but come on, they're the Ivy League for a reason and they don't take any riff-raff, and many of those that go on to be movers and shakers were either Ivy League or Ivy League drop-outs.
If you made the choice to get your "life experience" by not studying and told yourself "all those Ivy Leaguers are spoiled geeks with no real world experience", well you reap what you sow. |
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dairyairy
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| Did those 15,000 students have to pay to get in or was it free for students? Were they told to go and assigned to write up what happened? I know I was hoodwinked into some assignments like that way back when. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Even Mikey Sandel himself didn't go to an Ivy (Brandeis and Oggsford) |
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atwood
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if you haven't seen sandel lecture do yourself a favor and watch a video.
he uses the socratic method to point out how we don't know what we think we know, taking his audience through a hypothetical scenario while making minute changes along the way to try and pin down the thing that makes us think something is right or wrong. in the end, if understood, you should come away from the lecture not knowing anything, hence, smarter than anyone who thinks they know, because they really don't.HAHAHa.
for example...
1. you are driving a bus and realize the brakes don't work and are heading straight into a group of kids on their way to school... the only way to avoid running them all down is to turn the wheel sharply left to where a fat man is standing... do you turn the wheel and save all the kids, but by doing so kill the fat man? everyone in the audience says yes, no question about it.
2. what if you are not the bus driver but standing on a bridge with the fat man and see the bus heading straight for the same group of kids. lets say from a police scanner you know for a fact that the bus can't stop and the kids have no way to get out of the way. lets also say that the fat man is soooo fat that if you pushed him off the bridge in front of the bus it would create enough of an obstacle to eventually stop it before it hit the kids... would you do it? everyone in the audience says no. that would be murder. whats the dif? example one is just turning a wheel, it doesn't seem like you are intentionaly murdering the fat man, but by pushing him off the bridge it seems somehow wrong.
3. sowhat if you don't have to push him? lets say he is standing over a trap door and by turning a wheel you could open the trap door and send him plumeting down to the street directly where the bus is headed? how is turning one wheel different than another?
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I've seen a few of the lectures and while he is a very polished speaker, for me he was just posing dilemmas. Although he was doing it in a sophisticated way and linking them to assigned readings, it still reminded me of a junior high school civics class.
I can see why the course is popular with students, though. |
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toby99
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