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ewlandon



Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Feedback on some (kinda petty) issues Reply with quote

I've lived here for 9 months. My landlord recently contacted the school and told them I havent been paying the water bill that I owe to him. This is true it was supposed to be 4,000 won per month and I hadnt paid it in 3 months cause no one asked me for it like they had in the past. When he finally asked for it he said it was raised to 5000 won per month so i owed him 15,000 won.

I paid it and now he has contacted the school to tell them that I owe him this months water as well as another 5000 won for "Septic Tank Cleaning"

I'll pay it but why in the world would I owe my landlord for basic maintenance and why does he think I would believe him that he would get a septic tank cleaned in Seoul. Am I just wrong in thinking that I know better than to believe that anyone uses septic tanks in seoul.

Is he just trying to get a few extra bucks out of me. I know the guy doesnt like me for whatever reason (its not clear why but it is clear he doesnt like me).
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your landlord likely means the big blue tank at the top of the apartment building. Plus some places do have spetic tanks or do need some cleaning or servicing done.

Many places charge a monthly maintenance fee. Sometimes some things like water are included.

Plus for 15,000 and another 5000 for four months. I highly doubt you are being cheated. You may want to find out about what other charges could show up in the future. Rather then being surprised every couple of months. Just know you have an extra bill.
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ewlandon



Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im sure it is just that things work differently here but it seemed strange that he could just announce that the bill is more now than it was a few months ago as well as tack on extra bills that I wasnt aware of. It's not enough money that I wouldnt just pay it even if it was bs (i dont like confrontation) but it seemed strange cause in the us any apt you rent you dont pay extra maintenance fees unless it is something you request or damage you caused.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he's probably just being a d*ck because the school transfers your rent payment directly to his account but he has to make the effort to communicate with you for these other charges which schools don't pay as they fall under "utility"

doubt he'd overcharge you 1000 won but then again, who knows.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you think about it, it's kind of funny. Such a big story over pocket change.
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
When you think about it, it's kind of funny. Such a big story over pocket change.


Well, understand that if a landlord doesn't tell you that you owe money, and then calls your school and claims you've been avoiding the bills, then that could create trouble for you with your school.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewlandon wrote:
...but it seemed strange cause in the us any apt you rent you dont pay extra maintenance fees unless it is something you request or damage you caused.


Uh.......

Anyway, I currently pay 10 for water and paid 20 in the past. I don't do employer-based housing, and my landlords always forget to say anything and then suddenly freak out on me about the water fee.

"You owe another 40,000 won! Wow!"

It's like this big dramatic deal for them - mainly because my landlords always have crackhead accents/pronunciation I can't understand for the life of me.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dairyairy wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
When you think about it, it's kind of funny. Such a big story over pocket change.


Well, understand that if a landlord doesn't tell you that you owe money, and then calls your school and claims you've been avoiding the bills, then that could create trouble for you with your school.


Yes, as I was saying, such a big story over pocket change.
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
dairyairy wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
When you think about it, it's kind of funny. Such a big story over pocket change.


Well, understand that if a landlord doesn't tell you that you owe money, and then calls your school and claims you've been avoiding the bills, then that could create trouble for you with your school.


Yes, as I was saying, such a big story over pocket change.


Sorry, I thought you meant it wasn't a big deal. Now that the landlord has contacted the school it has become a big deal and the teacher in question should make sure everyone understands that all bills presented to that teacher will be paid. But the landlord hasn't been presenting the teacher with the bills. Heck, at this point, request to see proof that it's the proper amount. And, while you're at it, mention any repairs you need. Teach that landlord that calling the school for something so trivial will backfire on him.
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ewlandon



Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
When you think about it, it's kind of funny. Such a big story over pocket change.


I stated its trivial. I could have left the numbers out. My question is not about me being ripped off 1000 won it is about the situation. I understood why he called with three months of water owed but saying the the price was now more seemed weird and now he it seems he will call every month to tell them I owe him 5000 for water. The reason I was 3 months late is because the price is so low that it didnt matter to me if it got backed up and clearly didnt seem to matter to the landlord either since he never came and asked me for the money and never gave me his bank account. Now he is calling and reminding the school of the bank account number that he gave me last month and of the bill for this month, as well as some cleaning fee.

So mostly my question was about adding fees. In the US renters dont add fees mid year or change prices.

Anyway I just pay it and hope he stops calling about petty stuff.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I know what you mean about a paltry amount - but I think some of those folks who deal with that do it for a living and don't make much money - they are dependent on collecting the fees from everyone on time etc., it's their livelihood; so they need to stay current with payments.

of course for the foreigner they are always worried we'll fly the coop and leave them holding the bill and the school won't enny up, so you really can't blame them. just mark the calendar when they come and learn to expect it.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewlandon wrote:
So mostly my question was about adding fees. In the US renters dont add fees mid year or change prices.


Utility prices only change at the end of the rental contract in the US? How do they coordinate that with all of the different people?? Wink

Prices change. Electricity is about to go up as well - be forewarned.
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ewlandon



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I pay all my other bills as I would expect. A bill comes in the mail and I am responsible for paying it. Everything is quantified and its basically exactly like it would be in the US. The only bill that is not done this way is the water bill. I was told that I owe 4,000 to my landlord every month. Untill Last month I would pay someone at the school in cash when the landlord would ask for it. Last month he called and asked why I had not paid into his bank account for the water for three months.

I told them it was the first time I was ever given his bank account and I promptly paid. Now I have his bank account and will pay each month. Really its not that big of a deal at all just a bit annoying the way he keeps track of it (or basically doesnt).

But my question was more about the change of the price mid contract and adding on other fees that I wasnt told about such as basic maintenance. I know its not the US and I wouldnt put up a fight unless it was some huge ammount of money (or even like 50+ I would want to know more at least), but in the US the landlord couldnt just call you up and say he did some building maintenance so I had to pay my share. That is part of the rent or at least a fee that is discussed pre-contract.

Basically its a not issue that I wanted some insight into as well as the septic tank thing cause that really threw me off.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a question - do you have the rental agreement? Have you read it?

Chances are, it's "no" to both of those questions. And that's ok. But ya know what, it would not surprise me in the least if there are 'maintenance clauses' and 'rate increase' clauses in there. It makes sense.

ESPECIALLY where we're talking about 1000 won a month.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewlandon wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
When you think about it, it's kind of funny. Such a big story over pocket change.


I stated its trivial. I could have left the numbers out. My question is not about me being ripped off 1000 won it is about the situation. I understood why he called with three months of water owed but saying the the price was now more seemed weird and now he it seems he will call every month to tell them I owe him 5000 for water. The reason I was 3 months late is because the price is so low that it didnt matter to me if it got backed up and clearly didnt seem to matter to the landlord either since he never came and asked me for the money and never gave me his bank account. Now he is calling and reminding the school of the bank account number that he gave me last month and of the bill for this month, as well as some cleaning fee.

So mostly my question was about adding fees. In the US renters dont add fees mid year or change prices.

Anyway I just pay it and hope he stops calling about petty stuff.


It's too small of an amount for him to get off his butt and show you the bill, so he risks causing friction between you and your boss? I'm sorry, but I can't help but being amused since I know the business all too well. You have to be diplomatic when your a landlord if you want to retain your sanity.

Communicating with you directly, either one-on-one or in writing, would have been the right thing to do. Just imagine how high his blood pressure must get when there's are real risk of losing money, like when tenants complain about the noise because there's construction in the neighborhood or when there's a dispute between neighbors.

You probably want to get a filter between him and your boss. Do you have a cell phone? Give him the number and ask him to send you a text message in Korean whenever there's a problem. You can have it translated by one of your co-workers or friends.
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