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BBC News Global Pay Scale Calculator (PPP)
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: BBC News Global Pay Scale Calculator (PPP) Reply with quote

According to the BBC global pay scale calculator we not in too bad of a position as lowly hagwon monkeys.

I thought the breakdown of the figures in relation to Korea was very interesting. I always thought we as English teachers were on the lower end of the spectrum.

The below link takes you to the BBC news website.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17543356
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soomin



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really interesting chart~ thanks for the link ^.^

From what I've heard, we are making *bank*~ My Korean friends tell me that they wish they were foreign so they could make as much money, especially my friends who work in hagwons... Even working in English hagwons, they make about several hundred thousand won less every month, and that's not including housing, which would bump it up considerably. NETs make a good living~ ^.^
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not get carried away. The average wage in Korea is $2,900 which is 3,400,000won. The average esl teacher earns around 2.4 million. Let's say we take the rent money, an extra 400,000won, instead of the apartment. That's 2,800,000won. Still way below the average.
If you think we are making *bank* then you are deluding yourself. However, there is the potential to make more money by doing privates if you have a suitable visa. If you are making 4mill a month then I would say you are doing ok. Get a wife who works and contributes 2mill then you can live a half decent life. But if you think that we are making a good living with a basic hagwon wage then you are kidding yourself.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only Norway and Luxembourg average more than me, not bad.
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r122925



Joined: 02 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
Let's not get carried away. The average wage in Korea is $2,900 which is 3,400,000won. The average esl teacher earns around 2.4 million. Let's say we take the rent money, an extra 400,000won, instead of the apartment. That's 2,800,000won. Still way below the average.
If you think we are making *bank* then you are deluding yourself. However, there is the potential to make more money by doing privates if you have a suitable visa. If you are making 4mill a month then I would say you are doing ok. Get a wife who works and contributes 2mill then you can live a half decent life. But if you think that we are making a good living with a basic hagwon wage then you are kidding yourself.


You clearly didn't read the article that goes along with that chart. $2900 is not the actual average income in Korea, but rather a calculation based on the average income compared to cost of living in the country. The actual average income in Korea is around 2,700,000 per month (varies a little depending on which source you use, but it's nowhere near the 3.4 million you suggest). If you factor in the plane tickets and housing that teachers usually get then I would say the average hagwon teacher is making at least the Korean average, if not slightly higher.

Whether the average is enough and what constitutes "doing ok" and "a half decent life" are different questions entirely.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You clearly didn't read the article that goes along with that chart. $2900 is not the actual average income in Korea, but rather a calculation based on the average income compared to cost of living in the country. The actual average income in Korea is around 2,700,000 per month (varies a little depending on which source you use, but it's nowhere near the 3.4 million you suggest). If you factor in the plane tickets and housing that teachers usually get then I would say the average hagwon teacher is making at least the Korean average, if not slightly higher.

Whether the average is enough and what constitutes "doing ok" and "a half decent life" are different questions entirely.


The more I read the less seriously I take the information. I got 3.4million by converting $2900 into won. It's also worth bearing in mind that most of the average wage reports include part time workers. If we took them out of the equation then the average full time wage would be a lot higher.
Also, do you have any link for the average full time wage including bonuses in Korea?
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@seoulman69

I remember reading somewhere on a korean news site that over 40% of Koreans earn between 1 and 2 million. Also 2-3mill was 20 something percent and 3-4mil was 10ish percent.

The source was the National Office of Statistics (통계청) and it was 2011 figures but I have no way of finding the link to see if my vague recollections are accurate.

That did include all types of jobs.

Obviously we are not living the life of riley but it did surprise me that we do pretty well in the Korean scheme.
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Seoulman69



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to go ahead and answer my own question. Korea's average full time wage is around $33,000 a year. Converting that to won equals 38,641,017. That equals 3,220,084won a month. This is without bonuses included. Pretty close to my initial figure of 3.4.
Now let's look at hagwon teacher. Their wage is around 2.4 with housing. With the housing money that puts it up to 2.8. Still below average. Hardly making *bank*, is it?
If we are to add in the flight and the bonus to the wage it does get closer to average but if we add our bonuses then we need to add the Korean workers bonuses too.

Here's the link to the average full time wage info:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/12/26/2011122601341.html
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
The more I read the less seriously I take the information. I got 3.4million by converting $2900 into won.

They don't make it very clear, but they're using "PPP$", as opposed to USD.

For the record, I'd imagine that a 2.2 million won/month salary, plus 400k for housing, plus a month's salary completion bonus comes out to about 2.8 million per month.

BBC's calculator says that equals $3,101PPP. This is about 30% more than if you converted 2.8million won to $usd.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I remember reading somewhere on a korean news site that over 40% of Koreans earn between 1 and 2 million. Also 2-3mill was 20 something percent and 3-4mil was 10ish percent.

The source was the National Office of Statistics (통계청) and it was 2011 figures but I have no way of finding the link to see if my vague recollections are accurate.

That did include all types of jobs.

Obviously we are not living the life of riley but it did surprise me that we do pretty well in the Korean scheme.


See my post above for some stats.
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r122925



Joined: 02 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and answer my own question. Korea's average full time wage is around $33,000 a year. Converting that to won equals 38,641,017. That equals 3,220,084won a month. This is without bonuses included. Pretty close to my initial figure of 3.4.
Now let's look at hagwon teacher. Their wage is around 2.4 with housing. With the housing money that puts it up to 2.8. Still below average. Hardly making *bank*, is it?
If we are to add in the flight and the bonus to the wage it does get closer to average but if we add our bonuses then we need to add the Korean workers bonuses too.

Here's the link to the average full time wage info:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/12/26/2011122601341.html


Once again, did you actually read the article?

Quote:
The figure was converted into U.S. dollars and adjusted to reflect the purchasing power between different countries.


This amount is adjusted to reflect purchasing power, the actual wage in won is considerably lower than that.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This amount is adjusted to reflect purchasing power, the actual wage in won is considerably lower than that.


I'm just a lowly English teacher so the math aspect of this often confuses me. Therefore feel free to contribute stats that you feel are relevant.
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another link: http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2922210

"There were 7,945 foreign workers who received more than the average Korean worker�s income of about 40 million won."

40,000,000won a year comes out at 3,333,333won a month. Even closer to my initial 3.4.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is that I can save a grand (UK) pretty much every month, travel abroad once or twice a year and buy whatever I need/want on a weekly basis. And, most importantly, enjoy my life here. That's why I think I'm not doing too badly.
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alongway



Joined: 02 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading about 2 years ago that the average salaryman was making 2.2 million/month in Seoul.
I can't imagine the average has crept up that much in just 2 years when a lot of companies don't even seem to offer inflation as wage increases.
Can't really imagine the average wage being 2.7 million at all.
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