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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: Doing a PhD in Korea - A Few Questions |
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| I am starting to think about doing a PhD in a few years and am seriously contending with doing my research in Korea. Are there any PhD programs in education/learning in Korea? Has anyone looked at doing a PhD in Korea? I have seen similar programs in Hong Kong, but Korea would benefit my personal situation. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Doing a PhD in Korea - A Few Questions |
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| Whistleblower wrote: |
| I am starting to think about doing a PhD in a few years and am seriously contending with doing my research in Korea. Are there any PhD programs in education/learning in Korea? Has anyone looked at doing a PhD in Korea? I have seen similar programs in Hong Kong, but Korea would benefit my personal situation. |
I've been looking at some graduate degrees as well (mostly MBAs and finance PhDs) and what I've heard is that though a degree from an upper level program in Korea (SNU, Yonsei, KAIST, etc) will benefit a person working in Korea or even China, that the degree won't be of benefit in the US.
As for degrees specific to education, I'm not very sure, but I'm sure there are some here who have taken courses. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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My main aim is to return to Korea in a few years time, work at a University and start my PhD with said Uni (preferably one of the top three in Korea) and improve my Korean. I am very interested in language acquisition with Korean learners of English and it would be one of my dreams to complete a research PhD in Korea.
On to Google now to do more research about possible universities in Korea. |
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Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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My main aim is to return to Korea in a few years time, work at a University and start my PhD with said Uni (preferably one of the top three in Korea) and improve my Korean. I am very interested in language acquisition with Korean learners of English and it would be one of my dreams to complete a research PhD in Korea.
On to Google now to do more research about possible universities in Korea. |
Have you thought of the University of Hong Kong? They have a pretty reputable program and Angel Lin comes highly recommended from the head of TESL Department at uOttawa. Her focus seems to be on sociocultural theories of second language learning. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I am aware of the University of Hong Kong, but for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
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nomanshaheer
Joined: 20 Mar 2012
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| I am aware of the University of Hong Kong, but for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
Korean PhDs are not respected even in Korea. Check out teacher profiles and you will rarely find Korean PhD teaching in good universities.
Mostly, the most incompetent people do their PhD from Korean Universities and Professors in Korean Universities are really incompetenet. Most Koreans PhD love to stay in US and only those PhD return to Korea who are incompetent enough to get a job even in worst US Universities. So, useless academics, no scope for future even in Korean Universities. My Advice is to just sacrifice 4 years and get a PhD from a US University. A Failing PhD from a worst US University is considered more important than a top class PhD from best Korean University. |
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Hugo85
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| nomanshaheer wrote: |
| Whistleblower wrote: |
| I am aware of the University of Hong Kong, but for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
Korean PhDs are not respected even in Korea. Check out teacher profiles and you will rarely find Korean PhD teaching in good universities.
Mostly, the most incompetent people do their PhD from Korean Universities and Professors in Korean Universities are really incompetenet. Most Koreans PhD love to stay in US and only those PhD return to Korea who are incompetent enough to get a job even in worst US Universities. So, useless academics, no scope for future even in Korean Universities. My Advice is to just sacrifice 4 years and get a PhD from a US University. A Failing PhD from a worst US University is considered more important than a top class PhD from best Korean University. |
Trololololol.
Most professors at SNU, KU, KAIST and Yonsei do come from the US, but then the ones from lower tiers often comes from SKY and other Korean universities. Furthermore Korean PhD's from top unis in decent fields have plenty of jobs in Korea.
I don't know how they fare back home though. |
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Jimskins
Joined: 07 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:01 am Post subject: |
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^ This(nomanshaheer). Ive given a lot of thought to doing a PHD but from what ive read, seen and heard (including from those studying PHDs in Korea), even a PHD from Seoul National is no better than toilet paper. I guess if you're after extra job security at your uni job (in Korea) it's another feather in your cap, but is 4 years+ of study just for that really worth it?
If you MUST do one, at least do a decent distance learning one from a respected western uni. |
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nomanshaheer
Joined: 20 Mar 2012
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hugo85 wrote: |
| nomanshaheer wrote: |
| Whistleblower wrote: |
| I am aware of the University of Hong Kong, but for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
Korean PhDs are not respected even in Korea. Check out teacher profiles and you will rarely find Korean PhD teaching in good universities.
Mostly, the most incompetent people do their PhD from Korean Universities and Professors in Korean Universities are really incompetenet. Most Koreans PhD love to stay in US and only those PhD return to Korea who are incompetent enough to get a job even in worst US Universities. So, useless academics, no scope for future even in Korean Universities. My Advice is to just sacrifice 4 years and get a PhD from a US University. A Failing PhD from a worst US University is considered more important than a top class PhD from best Korean University. |
Trololololol.
Most professors at SNU, KU, KAIST and Yonsei do come from the US, but then the ones from lower tiers often comes from SKY and other Korean universities. Furthermore Korean PhD's from top unis in decent fields have plenty of jobs in Korea.
I don't know how they fare back home though. |
Right but Payments are not that high. Actually overall academic payments are low in Korea, Off course Professors in Korea are the lowest caliber people so they have lowest incomes. A Decent Chaebol gives arond 3million to 4 million to an undergraduate only. While SKY Unoversities, after PhD starting salaries are around 5-7 million (US PhD off course). Low Caliber Universities give less than 3 million to people with Post Doctoral from SKY Universities.
The Major source of income for Professors are 3
1) Training to Corporate Sector means mostly business professors
2) Corruption money, just stole research funds or force PhD students to pay them from stipends
3) Publish research papers, what Korean Professors rarely do, Most Korean Professors just publish in childish "Korea review" type magazines which pay nothing. For publishing in good magazines, some talent is required what these "Confucian Scholars" totally Lack
Also, people pursuing PhD in Korea have no caliber at all. They are simple "fail in everything, cou;d not get a job, so do a PhD fromm any SKY University" Type people. So, classmates will be really lowest caliber people you can find in Korea. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the advice so far. I will consider this nearer the time but trying to figure out my next 10 year plan, having completed my MA a year ago. The thing that attracts me to Korea (again) is that for overseas PhD researchers, is that the universities will offer some form of scholarship and most costs of the PhD are paid for.
Unfortunately, in the UK a lot of the universities are cutting back on their scholarships and the opportunities to study towards a PhD are decreasing. |
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nomanshaheer
Joined: 20 Mar 2012
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the advice so far. I will consider this nearer the time but trying to figure out my next 10 year plan, having completed my MA a year ago. The thing that attracts me to Korea (again) is that for overseas PhD researchers, is that the universities will offer some form of scholarship and most costs of the PhD are paid for.
Unfortunately, in the UK a lot of the universities are cutting back on their scholarships and the opportunities to study towards a PhD are decreasing. |
If you are attracted towards Korea due top free PhD and Stipend (around 900,000 Won a month), you are mistaken. PhD is free across all Asia and US with most Universitiws paying monthly stipend. NUS pays 2000 SGD, In US stipend rates are USD 1500-4000, and around USD 1000 in HKUS, Chinese Universities etc. A US PhD is the best even from third class low graded universities. In Asia, NUS, HKUST etc are better. Korean SKY Universities are better than a few Chinese and third world Universties but in Developed world universities, Korean "Confucian Universities" dont stand any chance.
However, if you are working in corporate sector and do a PhD from Korean Universities and than pursue only part time career in academia (research & teaching) and focus mainly on corporate career, This is a nice strategy. Or, if you dont have any chances to get into US Universities, you can do an MS from Korea and it will really help you to get into even Harvard (with a 4000 USD per month stipend for Business PhD) |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Whistleblower- PM sent. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds about right.
| nomanshaheer wrote: |
| Whistleblower wrote: |
| I am aware of the University of Hong Kong, but for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
Korean PhDs are not respected even in Korea. Check out teacher profiles and you will rarely find Korean PhD teaching in good universities.
Mostly, the most incompetent people do their PhD from Korean Universities and Professors in Korean Universities are really incompetenet. Most Koreans PhD love to stay in US and only those PhD return to Korea who are incompetent enough to get a job even in worst US Universities. So, useless academics, no scope for future even in Korean Universities. My Advice is to just sacrifice 4 years and get a PhD from a US University. A Failing PhD from a worst US University is considered more important than a top class PhD from best Korean University. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing that attracts me to Korea (again) is that for overseas PhD researchers, is that the universities will offer some form of scholarship and most costs of the PhD are paid for. |
I don't have much of a dog in this, uh, conversation, but really. You should at least be honest with yourself. The above quote is BS, and you know it, don't you?
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| for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
Here's the truth. Kimchi fever strikes again. See what happens when you get linked to Koreans? Your life gets screwed up, you can't do the highest quality work or education as you should, because here you are chained to this hole of a country and its half-assed, third-rate, barely adequate institutions. Trying to make excuses for them [like they are somehow cheaper than HK or Sing, so it's fine! Pay less for a worthless 'qualification'!], despite how obviously useless their degrees are. Why?
Just admit they are lousy, like much else in Korea, and that due to your Korean wife's utterly typical refusal or reluctance to live anywhere but here, you have no choice but to try to work with them anyway.
Better yet, don't marry Koreans, unless they are ACTIVELY familiar with foreign countries through LIVING there for at least 1 continuous year, whether for school or work or whatever. Otherwise, just know, you will NEVER get out of this country, whether you need to or not. You will be stuck here forever. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| for personal reasons I would prefer to do my PhD in Korea. My family would not be happy if we had to move to Hong Kong. My wife is from Korea. |
Here's the truth. Kimchi fever strikes again... |
So it's inherently Korean for a family to not want to see a family member immigrate to the other side of the world? Get out. |
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