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sml7285
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| Few Koreans use (as oppose to simply sign up for) Facebook to begin with and they've never needed to use such a medium to organize their outrage--though it has proven itself salient in Egypt and during the so-called Jasmine "Revolution"; Facebook activity could tell us little in regard to how society feels about any issue in Korea...IMO. |
Foreigners in Korea are being shed in a bad light. People in Egypt were being physically stymied.
I can't believe some of these comparisons - Korea in the present day is not comparable to Nazi Germany, Apartheid-era South Africa, or even pre-Arab Spring Middle East. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Few Koreans use (as oppose to simply sign up for) Facebook to begin with and they've never needed to use such a medium to organize their outrage--though it has proven itself salient in Egypt and during the so-called Jasmine "Revolution"; Facebook activity could tell us little in regard to how society feels about any issue in Korea...IMO. |
Foreigners in Korea are being shed in a bad light. People in Egypt were being physically stymied.
I can't believe some of these comparisons - Korea in the present day is not comparable to Nazi Germany, Apartheid-era South Africa, or even pre-Arab Spring Middle East. |
Hey, don't jump the gun. A prior poster said that racial/ ethnic discrimination here is a non-issue based on Facebook activity.
I'm not comparing Korea and Egypt. I'm talking about the medium--FACEBOOK--and how it has been used. Just giving it justice by saying that it was a great tool for helping people in Egypt, but not such a tool that can be wielded as such in Korea.
I hope you don't read more than what was intended in what I wrote; I meant no harm nor did I intend to insinuate that Korea is anything like Egypt. Just saying that Facebook serves--or fails to serve--a different purpose in Korea. 
Personally, I don't seek comparisons. And I see no need to place Korea on some international rubric for racial/ ethnic discrimination--to give a relativity to the issue as a US-centric vanishing point of sorts.
Ethnic discrimination is an issue here.
Here's an interesting piece that serves as a harbinger...Korea is becoming and will remain a multicultural nation--the days of stamping on the fumi-e are long gone:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2012/06/178_112837.html
Denial will only make adjusting ever more difficult, costly, and necessary. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| sml7285 wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Few Koreans use (as oppose to simply sign up for) Facebook to begin with and they've never needed to use such a medium to organize their outrage--though it has proven itself salient in Egypt and during the so-called Jasmine "Revolution"; Facebook activity could tell us little in regard to how society feels about any issue in Korea...IMO. |
Foreigners in Korea are being shed in a bad light. People in Egypt were being physically stymied.
I can't believe some of these comparisons - Korea in the present day is not comparable to Nazi Germany, Apartheid-era South Africa, or even pre-Arab Spring Middle East. |
Hey, don't jump the gun. A prior poster said that racial/ ethnic discrimination here is a non-issue based on Facebook activity.
I'm not comparing Korea and Egypt. I'm talking about the medium--FACEBOOK--and how it has been used. Just giving it justice by saying that it was a great tool for helping people in Egypt, but not such a tool that can be wielded as such in Korea.
I hope you don't read more than what was intended in what I wrote; I meant no harm nor did I intend to insinuate that Korea is anything like Egypt. Just saying that Facebook serves--or fails to serve--a different purpose in Korea. |
No. I was aiming that last bit more at random tidbits I've seen scattered throughout the thread. Sorry if it seemed to be a pointed jab at you.
I do agree that Facebook isn't utilized by many Koreans. However, the question should be asked: is this a big enough issue where Facebook needs to be used? Facebook and Twitter were used when the respective governments of the Arab nations began to shut down websites they had access to in order to try to stop impending rallies. Do you think the Korean government would shut down websites or try to impede foreigners from expressing their rights? Have they thus far?
I'll say this once more: People are using Facebook because it's easy. Where are the real websites, open to everyone, that keep track of the racism in Korean news? I tried looking for some. I couldn't find a single non-blog, non-facebook, legitimate website dedicated to racism in Korean news. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:12 am Post subject: |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Few Koreans use (as oppose to simply sign up for) Facebook to begin with and they've never needed to use such a medium to organize their outrage--though it has proven itself salient in Egypt and during the so-called Jasmine "Revolution"; Facebook activity could tell us little in regard to how society feels about any issue in Korea...IMO. |
Foreigners in Korea are being shed in a bad light. People in Egypt were being physically stymied.
I can't believe some of these comparisons - Korea in the present day is not comparable to Nazi Germany, Apartheid-era South Africa, or even pre-Arab Spring Middle East. |
Hey, don't jump the gun. A prior poster said that racial/ ethnic discrimination here is a non-issue based on Facebook activity.
I'm not comparing Korea and Egypt. I'm talking about the medium--FACEBOOK--and how it has been used. Just giving it justice by saying that it was a great tool for helping people in Egypt, but not such a tool that can be wielded as such in Korea.
I hope you don't read more than what was intended in what I wrote; I meant no harm nor did I intend to insinuate that Korea is anything like Egypt. Just saying that Facebook serves--or fails to serve--a different purpose in Korea. |
No. I was aiming that last bit more at random tidbits I've seen scattered throughout the thread. Sorry if it seemed to be a pointed jab at you.
I do agree that Facebook isn't utilized by many Koreans. However, the question should be asked: is this a big enough issue where Facebook needs to be used? Facebook and Twitter were used when the respective governments of the Arab nations began to shut down websites they had access to in order to try to stop impending rallies. Do you think the Korean government would shut down websites or try to impede foreigners from expressing their rights? Have they thus far?
I'll say this once more: People are using Facebook because it's easy. Where are the real websites, open to everyone, that keep track of the racism in Korean news? I tried looking for some. I couldn't find a single non-blog, non-facebook, legitimate website dedicated to racism in Korean news. |
+1; I think that's why some people believe that it's gone a bit too far. There simply aren't many grassroot efforts to put a stop to it. Marmot's Hole did some talking about it and also listed some pretty good resources for perhaps what needs to be done to remedy the problem:
http://roboseyo.blogspot.kr/2012/06/racist-mbc-video-some-perspective-and.html
Roboseyo has some interesting ideas--many with which I agree, especially his idea of an Anti-defamation League.
But, you hit the nail on the proverbial head: few if any websites or groups are dedicated to stopping racism/ ethnic discrimination here.
Yet that doesn't mean that Korea is devoid of discrimination nor does it affirm discrimination as a non-issue--rather it verifies that discrimination has becomes so imbedded and systemic here that fighting it will be all the more difficult. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Images could have came from that Anti-Blackout Korea website. Is that still around? |
http://blackoutkorea.blogspot.kr/ |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Yet that doesn't mean that Korea is devoid of discrimination nor does it affirm discrimination as a non-issue--rather it verifies that discrimination has becomes so imbedded and systemic here that fighting it will be all the more difficult. |
I definitely agree. However, I also see this as no one willing to stepping up to combat the problem and actually put some real work and time into combating the problem.
Discrimination does exist to some extent in Korea. I feel that while some of it is due to unreasonable hate, a lot of it is because Koreans are merely uneducated about certain things that seem to be common knowledge to most foreigners from Canada/US. That's where the website comes in.
People may ask - how can someone be unintentionally discriminatory? Well I was born in the States to Korean parents. Most of the racism I faced was intentional, but there were times when people were unintentionally racist. I went to a boarding prep school for high school and a group of us were watching the State of the Union address with a teacher and when Bush listed off N Korea as an Axis of Evil country, one of my classmates turned around and said "What do the other 'chinks' think about N. Korea?" The teacher pulled him aside and told him that the word was extremely derogatory and the student fell over himself apologizing. I doubt that he'll ever use the word again. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Obviously some Koreans are well aware, but a lot of people have sex, food, and sports on the brain more than current issues.
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| What? Few Koreans use (as oppose to simply sign up for) Facebook to begin with and they've never needed to use such a medium to organize their outrage--though it has proven itself salient in Egypt and during the so-called Jasmine "Revolution"; Facebook activity could tell us little in regard to how society feels about any issue in Korea...IMO. |
Hey, something we agree on! |
And of course sex, food, and sports are not current issues.  |
No, they aren't. They're personal interests. People often watch sports to forget politics.
"Hey did you blah blah blah MBC"
"Who cares, did Lotte win?"
Heck even among foreigners there are people who haven't even heard about this story because they are off partying/sightseeing/doing stuff. They don't care about Korean-Foreigner issues or the Euro or Obama. Probably happier for it. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Heck even among foreigners there are people who haven't even heard about this story because they are off partying/sightseeing/doing stuff. They don't care about Korean-Foreigner issues or the Euro or Obama. Probably happier for it. |
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
Of course, the people who don't understand the world rarely change it. |
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orosee
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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... Egypt. ... in Egypt, ...
Denial ... |
Tempting, very tempting, very hard to resist but not helpful to the discussion so I won't say it.  |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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... Egypt. ... in Egypt, ...
Denial ... |
Tempting, very tempting, very hard to resist but not helpful to the discussion so I won't say it. |
Go for it!
Did Facebook (and Twitter) not serve as a tool for the Egyptian people to raise hell and organize around their issues? But, yes, it's way off topic. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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No, they aren't. They're personal interests. People often watch sports to forget politics. |
What does this even mean? Sex, food, and sports are personal interests. And politics is not a personal interest. I wonder what that means of social issues...because I'm not sure where that would fall in the Steelrail Dictionary of Idiotcy.
You really do have a problem conceptualizing a world outside of your own imagination don't you? Take up art, instead of using Hollywood propaganda to support your uneducated conclusions. Many people *even in Korea* are just as interested in politics (which is way off topic) as they are in sports--the two are not polar opposites (or even mutually exclusive as we all know); sports is not an escape for everyone from politics/ social issues. And though Hollywood promotes such messy conclusions, enthusiasm in sports--particularly in terms of soccer & national sports--is highly correlated in Korea with one's personal identification as nationalistic and conservative, i.e. the likelihood that those people you claim use sports as an escape also happen to be really into social issues & politics is pretty high in Korea.
Wake up man! And stop watching so much Western garbage on TV. |
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orosee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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... Egypt. ... in Egypt, ...
Denial ... |
Tempting, very tempting, very hard to resist but not helpful to the discussion so I won't say it. |
Go for it!
Did Facebook (and Twitter) not serve as a tool for the Egyptian people to raise hell and organize around their issues? But, yes, it's way off topic. |
To avoid misunderstandings, I'm referring to my own comment as being off-topic |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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No, they aren't. They're personal interests. People often watch sports to forget politics. |
What does this even mean? Sex, food, and sports are personal interests. And politics is not a personal interest. I wonder what that means of social issues...because I'm not sure where that would fall in the Steelrail Dictionary of Idiotcy.
You really do have a problem conceptualizing a world outside of your own imagination don't you? Take up art, instead of using Hollywood propaganda to support your uneducated conclusions. Many people *even in Korea* are just as interested in politics (which is way off topic) as they are in sports--the two are not polar opposites (or even mutually exclusive as we all know); sports is not an escape for everyone from politics/ social issues. And though Hollywood promotes such messy conclusions, enthusiasm in sports--particularly in terms of soccer & national sports--is highly correlated in Korea with one's personal identification as nationalistic and conservative, i.e. the likelihood that those people you claim use sports as an escape also happen to be really into social issues & politics is pretty high in Korea.
Wake up man! And stop watching so much Western garbage on TV. |
Yes, some people who watch sports have a strong interest in politics. Many have soft opinions, and some flat out don't care. Many people just aren't that into politics and think more about some person they want to have sex with, where their next meal is coming from, an item they saw on GMarket, the score of the LG Twins game, or Big Bang's latest music video.
Look at a typical conversation about politics with any group of people as part of a group. 2-4 people will be really opinionated. Everyone else will stay quiet or talk about something else or dismiss it with "They're all crooks".
And as for art, I do landscapes and am an avid fan of European art from the Renaissance through the Academy. And I also enjoy Japanese art. Sorry, I guess I don't fit the ideal you have conceived of me in your imagination. I'll leave it at that. Anything else personal, PM me or dig up the old thread on art I started a few years ago.
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| enthusiasm in sports--particularly in terms of soccer & national sports--is highly correlated in Korea with one's personal identification as nationalistic and conservative |
You have any data to back that claim up?
People who spend their time watching the NBA or tennis are highly nationalistic given the plethora of Korean players in the NBA and on the ATP? |
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Steelrails
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Double Post
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