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TheUrbanMyth
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| [q Many people *even in Korea* are just as interested in politics (which is way off topic) as they are in sports-- |
Wouldn't happen to have a link or any proof to support this observation would you?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/06/113_66874.html
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| "Only about 46 percent of eligible voters cast a ballot in the 2006 elections. |
And those are just the eligible voters as opposed to the general population. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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No, they aren't. They're personal interests. People often watch sports to forget politics. |
What does this even mean? Sex, food, and sports are personal interests. And politics is not a personal interest. I wonder what that means of social issues...because I'm not sure where that would fall in the Steelrail Dictionary of Idiotcy.
You really do have a problem conceptualizing a world outside of your own imagination don't you? Take up art, instead of using Hollywood propaganda to support your uneducated conclusions. Many people *even in Korea* are just as interested in politics (which is way off topic) as they are in sports--the two are not polar opposites (or even mutually exclusive as we all know); sports is not an escape for everyone from politics/ social issues. And though Hollywood promotes such messy conclusions, enthusiasm in sports--particularly in terms of soccer & national sports--is highly correlated in Korea with one's personal identification as nationalistic and conservative, i.e. the likelihood that those people you claim use sports as an escape also happen to be really into social issues & politics is pretty high in Korea.
Wake up man! And stop watching so much Western garbage on TV. |
Yes, some people who watch sports have a strong interest in politics. Many have soft opinions, and some flat out don't care. Many people just aren't that into politics and think more about some person they want to have sex with, where their next meal is coming from, an item they saw on GMarket, the score of the LG Twins game, or Big Bang's latest music video.
Look at a typical conversation about politics with any group of people as part of a group. 2-4 people will be really opinionated. Everyone else will stay quiet or talk about something else or dismiss it with "They're all crooks".
And as for art, I do landscapes and am an avid fan of European art from the Renaissance through the Academy. And I also enjoy Japanese art. Sorry, I guess I don't fit the ideal you have conceived of me in your imagination. I'll leave it at that. Anything else personal, PM me or dig up the old thread on art I started a few years ago.
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| enthusiasm in sports--particularly in terms of soccer & national sports--is highly correlated in Korea with one's personal identification as nationalistic and conservative |
You have any data to back that claim up?
People who spend their time watching the NBA or tennis are highly nationalistic given the plethora of Korean players in the NBA and on the ATP? |
Mostly blah blah blah (again), because you spend more time blah blahing than reading. And, yo! Do your own freeping research. Go to scholar google (yeah, right...like you know that site). Anyways...go to google, then google your way to Google scholar. Once you're there search for correlation analysis. Read a couple of the simple ones (Lord knows you won't understand anything actually using correlation). Then google Korea nationalism and sports. You'll find several professional articles (that you'll likely have to pay for--so no, I'm not sending you mine).
When you've educated yourself, then let's talk (in a language I can understand).
I seldom get my information from tabulating random conversations between groups of two or four people I happen to bump into on the street.  Now I understand when people say that some people's college "education" wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.
Just so you know: This thread is not about whether Koreans are interested in politics. Perhaps you should make your own thread and start from there.
In terms of art: I was saying that perhaps you should spend more time on it. Why waste your time acting like you understand something you clearly do not. Who knows you could be the next Barthodi. I have 100% faith that you're definitely better at something than at professing competence in anything you've thrown on the boards thus far. Art! Art! Art!
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
| [q Many people *even in Korea* are just as interested in politics (which is way off topic) as they are in sports-- |
Wouldn't happen to have a link or any proof to support this observation would you? |
As I wrote to Steelrails above, there are plenty of articles that you can find on Scholar Google: http://scholar.google.co.kr/
There are also plenty of articles written on the subject in Korean. This is not an arcane or obscure finding; it's pretty well established in both domestic politics and social scientific studies. Most of the studies (that I read) were written after Korea hosted the World Cup. But I faintly remember reading a couple that used these findings in explaining why 25-36 year olds voted for former President Roh Moohyun.
Hmm....I'm seriously getting the feeling that few posters read much, but have very much to pontificate about.
This was a pretty fun read as well...though it scopes the effects of nationalism and international events (and only dedicates a small portion to South Korea), but it's pretty interesting.
http://books.google.co.kr/books?hl=ko&lr=&id=PhgDpnDoRYYC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=korean+nationalism+%26+sports&ots=LlPT3pqYMs&sig=332CCBPKp-_FFtXWQklDoTDDZdA#v=onepage&q=korean%20nationalism%20%26%20sports&f=false
Not sure what all the surprise is all about. This is a point that pretty well documented in education and academics.
The article that you've pasted focuses on the low turn out for local elections relative to national political elections. If you want to get nit-picky then we can use Steelrails way of reasoning: The turnout to sporting events is also low these days. Studying the effects and reasons could be someone's graduation thesis. But, the findings of other scholars still stands. Nationalism and interest in national sports is still highly correlated in Korea. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Not to mention, interest in politics doesn't always correlate with voter turnout. I have interest in politics but I don't plan on voting for any of these buffoons. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Not to mention, interest in politics doesn't always correlate with voter turnout. I have interest in politics but I don't plan on voting for any of these buffoons. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:12 am Post subject: |
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I'd agree there is a correlation between nationalism and Olympic/national sports.
To suggest that people who follow the KBO or the NBA are rabid nationalists is a bit of a stretch. National sports are not the only sports that are followed in Korea. Anyone who has eyes can tell that and to cite a bunch of articles pertaining to the Korean national team/World Cup and nationalism is just silly. They aren't relevant to the idea that people who are thinking about sports on a day to day basis are also heavily into politics.
The Korean national team does not play that frequently. The average K-Sports fan isn't rabidly following the national team in the downtime. They're thinking about Lotte or the Pohang Steelers or Heat-Thunder or Nadal-Djockovic. And they care more about that than some report on MBC or some article on the Chosun Ilbo. Even the ones that bleed Man-U-Park Ji Sung and Ki Sung Celtic care more about Shinji Kagawa going to Man U and Eden Hazard going to Chelsea than some Chosun Ilbo article.
Look, I know sports. I spend quite a bit of time following it, and I know the mentality of sports fans. When something dramatic happens in the news we rally round the flag and are uber-nationalists and start wars for oil and believe in things like "Mission Accomplished". What we don't do is obsessive over little articles on the Huffington-Post or care about some minor story beyond being able to launch a drive-by comment.
Why? Our webpages are on espn.com, not the news. When we get home we watch sports, or maybe some stupid movie. We want to watch Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon argue, not Rachel Maddow and Bill O'Reilly.
So going back to the original part where its suggested that Korean people take a deep interest in politics and foreigner issues I say, true for some, but for many, what's on their brain? Sex, sports, food, money, pop-stuff.
It's basic psychology- You can either A) Go drink with your buddies and watch the Samsung Lions or B)Stay at home and look up articles on the Chosun Ilbo about foreigners and join the AES.
Guess which most Koreans choose to do? If they cared that much, the news sites would be getting more hits than porn or some stupid daum Big Bang blog and MBC's ratings would be crushing baseball and whatever drama is on these days. But they don't.
Money and advertising talks. And so does soju. Most Koreans prefer to get bombed than stay at home and surf the newspaper net looking for foreigner issues. And if you don't believe that, then I don't know what to say.
The Green Bottle wins. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I think there might be a dispute over the term "following".
When I think of someone who "follows" sports. I think of a serious fan. The kind of person who can name every venue, every manager, 80% of the starting rosters on the teams in the league (or at least 100% of their own team), follows the sport everyday, etc. People who "follow" sports can hear the name "Gaylord Perry" or "Oliver Miller" or the phrase "Why Always Me?" and start laughing because they know the context. Or for Koreans, you can tell someone follows sports if when they hear the words "Supersonic" or "Dr. Bong", they know you aren't talking about airplanes and your Podiatrist.
Now when World Cup and Olympics role around, of course the national team and Kim Yuna are huge draws. But a lot of those "fans" couldn't tell the SPL from the EPL. They aren't the type that "follows" sports. Those fans I would agree 100% are more likely to be nationalist and interested in politics.
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We all know which you chose. (Did anyone say IDIOT?)
"Most Koreans..." "Most Koreans..." "Most Koreans...."
Talk about ridiculously dense. Most Koreans have a great deal more brains than you--apparently.
Go have your green bottle--it can't possibly hurt any neural activity (or lack there of) going on in that mass of crap you're toting around. |
So that MBC story got higher ratings than anything else? That Chosun Ilbo article got more hits than anything else? The number of Koreans (30,000) who want to get rid of NETs is wayyy more than the number of Koreans that could care less and are out drinking?
Studies show 6 million Koreans drink everyday. Now assuming that only 1/3rd of them are going out and drinking, that's still way more people interested in the drink than they are the waygook.
Again- Not everyone cares THAT much about politics as everyone else. People have a general sense of where they lie, but they aren't combing news reports everyday. For many people, politics has to come to them, not they go to politics.
This is why politicians advertise. Think about it, 100,000 people donate and work in the apparatus. 10 million people vote. |
http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/globalstatusreportalcohol2004_drinkpatterns.pdf
http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/profiles/kor.pdf
Now, you do the math.
It's still unclear of why you think people who go drink are not interested in the waygook. But, I'm starting to get used to your mindless connections. Clearly, those drinking politicians aren't interested in..hmm..politics.
Any newspaper who uses your method of writing and theorizing is clearly as biased as they come (and likely just as stupid).  |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I mean, come on, if I'm in Itaewon and in front of me is a KBS Crew, I'm not crossing the street because I'm worried for my physical safety. |
Perhaps not for your physical safety, but if reputation means anything to you, then perhaps you should reconsider. Knowing the low attention span of many people, I'd personally hate to be an unsuspecting prop in a local drug report about foreigners here.
Poor tourists...shame on these so-called mainstream media services. More unprofessionalism from MBC below:
http://imnews.imbc.com/replay/nwdesk/article/3089788_5780.html |
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