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Junior
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| I knew you couldn't hold out forever. Eventually you would have to bring the Bible in to make a scientific argument. |
Actually Its the evolutionists who feel the need to bring in religion in the belief that deriding an alternative theory will somehow repair the holes in their own. They need something to deflect attention from their basically indefensible theory. Or attempt to get the thread locked so as to avoid further embarrassment.
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| We are not talking about similarities but the actual fusion of two ancestral chromosomes. Something the ID proponents at the trial could not refute. |
I probably do not refute it either. Perhaps it is a fused pair of chromosomes, perhaps it isn't.
Either way it does not prove humans descended from apes, does it?
Thats probably why the creationists did not bother to refute it. because it was inconsequential. Humans have a fused chromosome. And? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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^^Killing kittens is seriously addictive.
The first ones are a bit tough...after that...no need to think anymore, it is just too easy.
This thread is a tribute to that. (read cautionary tail...meow!)
Junior must be laughing his ass off at those of us who reply to his inane posts.
My hats off to a most provocative poster.  |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Over the years I've been refuting his nonsense I've noticed that he has this nasty habit of taking all criticism towards him and playing it right back against his detractors.
It's particularly infuriating to see him accuse good science of being the very things creation "science" is made of.
Accusing scientists of having emotional or "religious" bias, claiming it's the evolutionary scientists who have no physical evidence, claiming it's evolutionary theory that tries to prove itself merely by disproving creationism, the list goes on... All things creation "scientists" are guilty of ten times over, and Junior has been called on a hundred times over. He levies these criticisms against evolution like he's the first one to have thought of them and that they are actually valid. Then he declares victory (as if that were even possible) despite no one here - or indeed the vast majority of historians and scientists - agreeing with him.
And so it goes... |
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catman
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| I knew you couldn't hold out forever. Eventually you would have to bring the Bible in to make a scientific argument. |
Actually Its the evolutionists who feel the need to bring in religion in the belief that deriding an alternative theory will somehow repair the holes in their own. They need something to deflect attention from their basically indefensible theory. Or attempt to get the thread locked so as to avoid further embarrassment. |
You are the one who posted the Bible reference. 
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I probably do not refute it either. Perhaps it is a fused pair of chromosomes, perhaps it isn't.
Either way it does not prove humans descended from apes, does it? |
A fused chromosome with a common ancestor. Now why would that support evolution?
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Thats probably why the creationists did not bother to refute it. because it was inconsequential. |
First you claimed that it was because they didn't have time to review the evidence. Now it is becaue it was inconsequential. ok. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Every time you post, god kills a kitten. |
I burst into laughter and tears as others in the restaurant wonder what's up with me. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| A fused chromosome with a common ancestor. Now why would that support evolution? |
What common ancestor?
You see you don't even realize when you are imagining things.
So humans have what could be a fused chromosome. Apes don't. Humans also sweat. Apes don't. And so?
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| First you claimed that it was because they didn't have time to review the evidence. Now it is becaue it was inconsequential. |
probably both.
If someone runs up to you and screams "the sky is blue!, the sky is blue!"
what is your reaction?
Exactly. I didn't realize we were playing random trivia. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
But don't expect observant intelligent people to take what you have to say too seriously. |
What intelligent people? Where?
The ones who believe this happened?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/dragonfly.JPG
lol. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Over the years I've been refuting his nonsense I've noticed that he has this nasty habit of taking all criticism towards him and playing it right back against his detractors.
It's particularly infuriating to see him accuse good science of being the very things creation "science" is made of.
Accusing scientists of having emotional or "religious" bias, claiming it's the evolutionary scientists who have no physical evidence, claiming it's evolutionary theory that tries to prove itself merely by disproving creationism, the list goes on... All things creation "scientists" are guilty of ten times over, and Junior has been called on a hundred times over. He levies these criticisms against evolution like he's the first one to have thought of them and that they are actually valid. Then he declares victory (as if that were even possible) despite no one here - or indeed the vast majority of historians and scientists - agreeing with him.
And so it goes... |
Yes..exactly Bob...and that's what my post was about.
You personally have a history with Junior, and yet knowing all those things...continue to post with him.
Like I said...killing kittens is addictive.
You read his post...and it just calls to you...meow...meow.
It really is comedy gold.
Not knocking anyone for contributing to these threads, as they make for great give and take.
And as for Junior using your arguments against you...well...it's actually quite a compliment.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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What intelligent people? Where?
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Junior...no one is doubting that you travel in limited circles where your probability of encountering intelligent thought is obviously quite limited.
Not to worry...ignorance is bliss...or at least so they say.
Peace. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:30 am Post subject: |
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J.W.A.
Junior Wins Again.
Thanks for acknowledging that actually you really can't justify a belief in evolution...neither do you have any credible evidence.
Its nice to see some honesty here finally.
Man from molecules. The tree of life. Darwins finches. Peppered moths. Monkeys to men. Homology in limbs.. four-winged fruit flies. Its all just atheist disinformation.
Sure, evolutionism is a widespread myth...but then again so is the tooth fairy.
Good day to you gentlemen. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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J.W.A.
Junior Wins Again.
Thanks for acknowledging that actually you really can't justify a belief in evolution...neither do you have any credible evidence.
Its nice to see some honesty here finally.
Man from molecules. The tree of life. Darwins finches. Peppered moths. Monkeys to men. Homology in limbs.. four-winged fruit flies. Its all just atheist disinformation.
Sure, evolutionism is a widespread myth...but then again so is the tooth fairy, and God.
Good day to you gentlemen. |
Since you are attempting honesty...might as well go the last step...yes?
And in the light of this honesty...thought your post required a minor edit...surely you won't object...in the light of honesty and all.
Even Bob would be happy to see the edited version...coming from you of course. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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As predicted:
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| ... Then he declares victory ... |
J.T.A.
Junior Trolls Again. |
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recessiontime
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Junior, if evolution has no credible evidence to back it why is it taught in colleges and universities in all areas of the sciences?
How do you explain the so-called ape religion being taught over something like the stories of genesis in science class?
I'm interested in hearing your answer on this. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Recessiontime wrote: |
| Junior, if evolution has no credible evidence to back it why is it taught in colleges and universities in all areas of the sciences? |
Because secular humanists finally managed to take over. They overran the tower, they secured the drawbridge. They commandeered the academic heirarchy and educational establishments and subordinated them to their agenda. Their aims are no different to the communists and soviets who tried to extinguish christianity, the romans, and other civilisations throughout history. They want to remove God from the picture and keep the power for themselves. They encourage a worldview in which humans are not made in the image of God but apes, in which there lives have no meaning beyond base biological drives, and there is no possibility of reconciliation with their creator. They have created new Gods: pop stars and popular culture..with a new religion, evolutionism, that enables people to ignore God. It reduces people to being slaves of their fallen natures, easily controlled and manipulated. Easily occupied with the latest meaningless tripe in the media. Easily misinformed by a mass media.
This is the situation today. Darwinists begin by imposing a narrow interpretation on the evidence and declaring it the only way to do science. Critics are then labelled "unscientific", their articles are rejected by mainstream journals, whose editorial boards are dominated by dogmatists; the critics are denied funding by goverment agencies, who send grant proposals to the dogmatists for "peer" review; and eventually the critics are hounded out of the scientific community altogether.
In the process, evidence against the Darwinian worldview simply disappears, like witnesses against the mob. or it is buried in specialized publications, where only dedicated researchers can find it. Once the counter evidence has been buried and silenced, the dogmatists announce that there is "no debate" about their theory.
Using these kinds of tactics, darwinists have managed to establish a monopoly over research grants, faculty appointments, and peer-reviewed journals.
You also need to understand the wider historical perspective here. Science had co-existed productively and easily with christianity for centuries. The roots of scientific development and education lie firmly in the christian tradition. The existence of God had been an established fact in every culture since time immemorial. Science proceeded on the understanding that the universe is created and that we were simply discovering the design secrets.
Humans have been in rebellion against their creator since the fall. The corrupted spirit does not want to acknowledge God, wants to deny the creator his due. Evolutionism- a seductive half-truth- was not exactly a new idea. It was just waiting for a tipping point to be reached however. Darwin was in the right place at the right time to catch the wave.
The groundwork had been laid by the fact that nobody had understood the biblical account. The bible and its knowledge had been forcefully witheld from the people for centuries, hijacked by the Vatican. Throughout the dark ages, for 1000 years, the catholic church did everything possible to prevent the bible being translated into the common language. Even after the first translation into english in 1611, the vast majority of people could not afford to buy a copy.
Ignorance of the creation account was almost total until at least 150 years ago. This is one reason nobody knew about the accounts of dinosaurs in the bible. Instead they simply assumed that because God had preserved animals on the ark, then obviously he had allowed no creature in history to go extinct. This misperception then gave birth to the initial denial of dinosaurs and opened the way for evolutionists to ridicule christianity. The papacy deliberately manipulated and misinterpreted scripture to keep themselves in political power, cultivating ignorance.
Nowadays knowledge has increased, humans are able to communicate globally in real time. despite the efforts of the papacy, we can read the original unadulterated hebrew and greek texts, preserved and rediscovered. We can see that the biblical account is far from the flawed superstition that evolutionists portray it as.
Evolutionism is atheist religion. Dogmatic evolutionists distort the truth in order to keep themselves in power. But in recent years their deathgrip on the free flow of information has begun to falter. their response has been to redouble their efforts to maintain control. They cannot win the argument..so they rely on social pressure, intimidation and censure.
| Recessiontime wrote: |
| How do you explain the so-called ape religion being taught over something like the stories of genesis in science class? |
We have had decades of misinformation to counter. The children have been brainwashed with misleading textbooks. The public has been consistently lied to.
Those scientists lower down the echelon probably do not consciously realise what they are accesory to. But the system now ensures that if they so much as question or step out of line, they have a lot to lose. They overlook small flaws, they ignore a rigorous scientific method.
They are mostly specialists. If they encounter a falsehood or some aspect related to evolutionism that is misleading, they are encouraged to view overlook it as an isolated problem, especially when they are told that darwins theory is supported by the overwhelming evidence from other fields. if they voice their misgivings, they will find it hard to get a hearing, because criticism of darwinism in the scientific community hs effectively been banned.
The fact is.. that the evolution myth is now running on empty. Most of what people have been taught about evolution for the past 50 years we now know to be false. Evolutionists however, are reluctant to remove it from the textbooks. The amino acid- primeval soup fantasy remains on the books. The horse family tree, the embryoes, the monkey-men. Its all garbage.
But the high priests of the ape-cult want to keep hold on power and their place in society. They head a vast empire, they are not going to voluntarily go down for the sake of something as minor and irrelevant as the truth. I don't see the Kim's relinquishing their family business to the north of us either. Its called human greed and corruption. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Recessiontime wrote: |
| Junior, if evolution has no credible evidence to back it why is it taught in colleges and universities in all areas of the sciences? |
Because secular humanists finally managed to take over. They overran the tower, they secured the drawbridge. They commandeered the academic heirarchy and educational establishments and subordinated them to their agenda. Their aims are no different to the communists and soviets who tried to extinguish christianity, the romans, and other civilisations throughout history. They want to remove God from the picture and keep the power for themselves. They encourage a worldview in which humans are not made in the image of God but apes, in which there lives have no meaning beyond base biological drives, and there is no possibility of reconciliation with their creator. They have created new Gods: pop stars and popular culture..with a new religion, evolutionism, that enables people to ignore God. It reduces people to being slaves of their fallen natures, easily controlled and manipulated. Easily occupied with the latest meaningless tripe in the media. Easily misinformed by a mass media.
This is the situation today. Darwinists begin by imposing a narrow interpretation on the evidence and declaring it the only way to do science. Critics are then labelled "unscientific", their articles are rejected by mainstream journals, whose editorial boards are dominated by dogmatists; the critics are denied funding by goverment agencies, who send grant proposals to the dogmatists for "peer" review; and eventually the critics are hounded out of the scientific community altogether.
In the process, evidence against the Darwinian worldview simply disappears, like witnesses against the mob. or it is buried in specialized publications, where only dedicated researchers can find it. Once the counter evidence has been buried and silenced, the dogmatists announce that there is "no debate" about their theory.
Using these kinds of tactics, darwinists have managed to establish a monopoly over research grants, faculty appointments, and peer-reviewed journals.
You also need to understand the wider historical perspective here. Science had co-existed productively and easily with christianity for centuries. The roots of scientific development and education lie firmly in the christian tradition. The existence of God had been an established fact in every culture since time immemorial. Science proceeded on the understanding that the universe is created and that we were simply discovering the design secrets.
Humans have been in rebellion against their creator since the fall. The corrupted spirit does not want to acknowledge God, wants to deny the creator his due. Evolutionism- a seductive half-truth- was not exactly a new idea. It was just waiting for a tipping point to be reached however. Darwin was in the right place at the right time to catch the wave.
The groundwork had been laid by the fact that nobody had understood the biblical account. The bible and its knowledge had been forcefully witheld from the people for centuries, hijacked by the Vatican. Throughout the dark ages, for 1000 years, the catholic church did everything possible to prevent the bible being translated into the common language. Even after the first translation into english in 1611, the vast majority of people could not afford to buy a copy.
Ignorance of the creation account was almost total until at least 150 years ago. This is one reason nobody knew about the accounts of dinosaurs in the bible. Instead they simply assumed that because God had preserved animals on the ark, then obviously he had allowed no creature in history to go extinct. This misperception then gave birth to the initial denial of dinosaurs and opened the way for evolutionists to ridicule christianity. The papacy deliberately manipulated and misinterpreted scripture to keep themselves in political power, cultivating ignorance.
Nowadays knowledge has increased, humans are able to communicate globally in real time. despite the efforts of the papacy, we can read the original unadulterated hebrew and greek texts, preserved and rediscovered. We can see that the biblical account is far from the flawed superstition that evolutionists portray it as.
Evolutionism is atheist religion. Dogmatic evolutionists distort the truth in order to keep themselves in power. But in recent years their deathgrip on the free flow of information has begun to falter. their response has been to redouble their efforts to maintain control. They cannot win the argument..so they rely on social pressure, intimidation and censure.
| Recessiontime wrote: |
| How do you explain the so-called ape religion being taught over something like the stories of genesis in science class? |
We have had decades of misinformation to counter. The children have been brainwashed with misleading textbooks. The public has been consistently lied to.
Those scientists lower down the echelon probably do not consciously realise what they are accesory to. But the system now ensures that if they so much as question or step out of line, they have a lot to lose. They overlook small flaws, they ignore a rigorous scientific method.
They are mostly specialists. If they encounter a falsehood or some aspect related to evolutionism that is misleading, they are encouraged to view overlook it as an isolated problem, especially when they are told that darwins theory is supported by the overwhelming evidence from other fields. if they voice their misgivings, they will find it hard to get a hearing, because criticism of darwinism in the scientific community hs effectively been banned.
The fact is.. that the evolution myth is now running on empty. Most of what people have been taught about evolution for the past 50 years we now know to be false. Evolutionists however, are reluctant to remove it from the textbooks. The amino acid- primeval soup fantasy remains on the books. The horse family tree, the embryoes, the monkey-men. Its all garbage.
But the high priests of the ape-cult want to keep hold on power and their place in society. They head a vast empire, they are not going to voluntarily go down for the sake of something as minor and irrelevant as the truth. I don't see the Kim's relinquishing their family business to the north of us either. Its called human greed and corruption. |
ahh....so you won't concede your error.
And what a load of nonsense you spew out in the aftermath.
So when you really have had your ass handed to you, you dive right into religion and God in what is obviously an attempt to have this thread locked or deleted.
Your last post = Epic Fail
Seriously 
Mods...please don't delete this thread....just lock it if necessary, as to have something to refer back to for future reference of shameful trolling. |
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