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Zackback
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 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Nice assertions but you did not refute what Junior wrote.
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a simple refutation: it's all hearsay and/or his imagination.
Does Junior have one piece of evidence to back up his massive science conspiracy theory?
Nope.
There's plenty of funding (unfortunately) these days for creation "science". What have they turned up as evidence for creationism?
Nothing.
They spend their time and money merely trying to discredit evolution - the best theory we've got.
He paints a pretty picture of the poor, oppressed Christian masses being stomped upon by the evil God-hating atheist evolutionists when in reality, creationists are in the majority in the US. Sure, creation "scientists" don't always get the funding that regular scientists do, but that's because the latter produce results - not because there's some massive conspiracy in place to hide the truth from us all so we can continue to enjoy Lady Gaga and strip clubs without the fear of going to hell. 
I'm also pretty sure that not "every culture since time immemorial" has believed in the "God" that Junior is talking about. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| CosmicHum wrote: |
| ahh....so you won't concede your error. |
What error?
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Does Junior have one piece of evidence to back up his massive science conspiracy theory?
Nope. |
Plenty. Lots of false propaganda spouted by evolutionists. The deliberate failure of them to remove misleading information from textbooks. Their continuance to spread patent lies in order to get the masses on side. The legacy of deliberate fraud and jumping to unwarranted conclusions to advance their theory. The way they manipulate academia or the media.. and skew everything in their favor. On and on. The eveidence is endless.
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What have they turned up as evidence for creationism?
Nothing. |
The evidence conforms to the biblical record. You haven't been told the biblical record, you've never researched creationism..so you don't really know. Rather you've accepted the simplistic misrepresentations of them spouted by evolutionists and atheists.
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| I'm also pretty sure that not "every culture since time immemorial" has believed in the "God" that Junior is talking about. |
All cultures have believed in a supernatural creator until modern secular western culture (evolutionism/atheism) came along.
Of course the earth operates naturalistically now, it continues naturally ..based on natural laws. Certain elements within evolutionism are correct in this way. But its beginning, its creation was supernatural. That is clearly what evidence shows.
Unless you want to cling to the fanciful balderdash of life beginning from amino acids sparked by lightning in a primeval soup. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Over the years I've been refuting his nonsense I've noticed that he has this nasty habit of taking all criticism towards him and playing it right back against his detractors.
It's particularly infuriating to see him accuse good science of being the very things creation "science" is made of.
Accusing scientists of having emotional or "religious" bias,... |
This one is quite true as the e-mails from the "Climategate" episode bear out. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Plenty. Lots of false propaganda spouted by evolutionists. The deliberate failure of them to remove misleading information from textbooks. Their continuance to spread patent lies in order to get the masses on side. The legacy of deliberate fraud and jumping to unwarranted conclusions to advance their theory. The way they manipulate academia or the media.. and skew everything in their favor. On and on. The eveidence is endless. |
Hyperbolic much? What you've got are a few mistakes - something no one is denying scientists make, and often the fault of cheap textbook printers anyway - blown completely out of proportion to suit your creationist agenda. None of it points to anything like the 200-year-old massive conspiracy by scientists around the globe to cover up the truth of creationism that you suggest exists.
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| The evidence conforms to the biblical record. |
I don't deny that the bible could be interpreted to conform to what we observe in nature. I deny that the evidence points to anything like the 6000 year old, dinosaur-man-love Earth you believe we live on and for which you have no evidence short of your interpretation of the bible.
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| You haven't been told the biblical record, you've never researched creationism..so you don't really know. Rather you've accepted the simplistic misrepresentations of them spouted by evolutionists and atheists. |
I knew all about God creating the universe well before I'd ever heard the word "evolution". To suggest that I don't accept the creationist account simply because I don't know about it is just you spouting more rhetoric without any actual evidence to back it up.
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| I'm also pretty sure that not "every culture since time immemorial" has believed in the "God" that Junior is talking about. |
All cultures have believed in a supernatural creator until modern secular western culture (evolutionism/atheism) came along. |
Proof? |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Accusing scientists of having emotional or "religious" bias,... |
This one is quite true as the e-mails from the "Climategate" episode bear out. |
A few misguided scientists are hardly representative of the scientific community as a whole, and irrelevant when it comes to the validity of the theory they were supposed to be properly researching. Does the existence of pedophile priests invalidate the entirety of Christianity? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
| Nice assertions Cosmic Dum but you did not refute what Junior wrote. |
Zackback...lets stay on topic...yes?
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Zackback
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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The concept of evolution is one of the main teachings of secular humanism and secular humanism is a religion. Therefore even discussing this aspect of this religion is in violation of the rule on Dave's. So take your mythical "god" of chance and what it asserts elsewhere.
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm also pretty sure that not "every culture since time immemorial" has believed in the "God" that Junior is talking about. |
All cultures have believed in a supernatural creator until modern secular western culture (evolutionism/atheism) came along. |
Never been introduced to Buddhism, have you? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Zackback...drop this little name calling game of yours and try to deal with this issue on an adult playing field...or can you handle that?
Seems last time you got your ass handed to you, too.
Not to worry...all in good fun.
Cheers. 
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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Sure, evolutionism is a widespread myth...but then again so is the tooth fairy, and God.
Good day to you gentlemen. |
Since you are attempting honesty...might as well go the last step...yes?
And in the light of this honesty...thought your post required a minor edit...surely you won't object...in the light of honesty and all. |
Are you trading a troll for a troll now? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
Sure, evolutionism is a widespread myth...but then again so is the tooth fairy, and God.
Good day to you gentlemen. |
Since you are attempting honesty...might as well go the last step...yes?
And in the light of this honesty...thought your post required a minor edit...surely you won't object...in the light of honesty and all. |
Are you trading a troll for a troll now? |
hmm...good question.
Seems like just participating in this thread is trollish territory.
But yes...expecting Junior to concede the point was a troll...I don't think he has the ability to change his stance on this issue.
The message itself was not a troll.
Good call. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hundreds of kittens dead....another 1000 or so won't make a difference now:
Junior, I'm a bit skeptical. I mean seriously, how exactly does a small group of atheist dogmatists secure academia with their absurd teachings and manage to maintain and teach it to the public for hundreds of years? You'd think that real science with tangible evidence would of replaced evolution by now, yet here it remains today.
I understand that according to you, anyone that challenges Darwanism is rejected and end up losing their careers. Surely there are incredibly powerful people behind this conspiracy. My obvious next question is where do these militant-Godless-atheists acquire the wealth to maintain their position of power in academia?
Are rich folks like Bill Gates and Ted Turner secretly funding the ape cult behind closed doors and clinking glasses of wine and smoking cigars? Who exactly is responsible for shutting out anyone that dares to challenge Darwanism? |
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comm
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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It's nice to jump into these threads and watch Junior get more and more desperate as the posts go on. Gotta keep fighting that vast left-wing conspiracy to suppress the one true religio... er, science.
I do wish it could be done with less name calling though. |
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Zackback
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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I am dealing with the issues. Secular Humanis is a religion and evolution is one of its main tenets. The teaching is in their "creed" (The Humanist Manifesto).
Being an American the Declaration affirms that the belief in the Creator is a self evident truth. What they called self-evident is what the religion of Secular Humanism denies.
And historically speaking the NT that we have today is a very reliable document. The fact that this historical document has religious implications should not be the cause for rejecting it.
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