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[Dave Chance]

Which is exactly what the Indonesian people attempted to do. However-

In an article for the Spartanburg Herald-Journal (later picked up by the San Francisco Examiner and The Washington Post) journalist Kathy Kadane reported Robert J. Martens who from 1963 to 1966 was a political officer at the United States Embassy in Jakarta as saying that senior U.S. diplomats and CIA officials compiled lists of communist operatives and provided a list of approximately 5,000 names to the Indonesian Army while it was fighting the Indonesian communist party and its sympathisers.[63][64] Of the list, Kadane wrote that Joseph Lazarsky, deputy CIA station chief in Jakarta in 1965 said "We were getting a good account in Jakarta of who was being picked up, The army had a "shooting list" of about 4,000 or 5,000 people. Kadane wrote that approval for the release of names put on the lists came from top U.S. embassy officials; Ambassador Marshall Green, deputy chief of mission Jack Lydman and political section chief Edward Masters[64] Kadane wrote that Howard Federspiel, the Indonesia expert at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research in 1965, said "No one cared, as long as they were communists, that they were being butchered. No one was getting very worked up about it."[64]

A report by States News Service quoted Ambassedor Marshall Green confirming his role, saying: "I know we had a lot more information [about the PKI] than the Indonesians themselves... The US-supplied information was superior to anything they had."[65]

On October 29 1964, one cable from the State Department�marked "Action"�made it clear that Washington wanted to install a military-run government in Indonesia: "Sooner or later it will become increasingly clear to army leaders that they are the only force capable of creating order in Indonesia, and that they must take initiative to form a military or civilian-military provisional government, with or without Sukarno."[66]

The US Embassy responded with a request for increased military assistance to General Suharto's forces: "Army has reached firm conclusion (which we share) that at present it alone possesses the cohesiveness and leadership necessary to establish "new political order" in Indonesia. US assistance for Suharto's program would allow us to influence and strengthen the hands of those who will be running this country for the next several years...
The US continued to provide arms, tactical communications equipment and logistical equipment during the killings...

On 5 October 1965, Green cabled Washington on how the United States could "shape developments to our advantage". The plan was to blacken the name of the PKI and its 'protector', Sukarno. The propaganda should be based on "(spreading) the story of the PKI's guilt, treachery and brutality". At the height of the bloodbath, Green assured General Suharto: "the embassy and the U.S.G[overnment] were generally sympathetic with and admiring of what the army is doing."[75]

On 15 April 1966, Green recommended downplaying the scale of the killings: "The problem is the impossibility of weighing the countervailing effects of exaggeration ... and the interests of people involved to cover up their crimes. The truth can never be known. Even the Indonesian government has only a vague idea of the truth. We frankly do not know whether the real figure is closer to 100,000 or 1,000,000 but we believe it wiser to err on the side of the lower estimates, especially when questioned by the press."[76]

In the words of the C.I.A. study on the post-coup massacres in Indonesia: "In terms of the numbers killed the anti-P.K.I. massacres in Indonesia rank as one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century, along with the Soviet purges of 1930s, the Nazi mass murders during the Second World War, and the Maoist blood bath of the early 1950's."[77]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965%E2%80%931966#U.S._involvement_and_reaction

Kinda hard to fight against both your government and the US as well as other countries' general indifference/ignorance.

I'm done here. People can bait or flame/troll or whatever from here on out. I don't have time for people who can't face up to the facts.

[Captain Corea]

[rollo]

It's a video Dave of a documentary not divinely inspired scripture. An old one on a subject that has been beaten to death. U.S. bad, capiltalism bad, blah, blah blah. the documentary makers had an agenda, not eveyone totally buys into that agenda or believes every single word printed in newspapers. FACTS? filtered through an ideological prism, and cherry picked facts at that. Tryo view the world through a less American obsessed perspective. You will find that other countries have spy agencies which play hell in the affairs of other countries. Other countries plot and scheme and lie. And this will blow you away , local actors, the residents are often responsible for their own misery.

[Kimbop]

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[Leon]

[goreality]

If you focus on the bad aspects of globalization of course you will come to the conclusion that it is bad. This is called a bias, don't be surprised if people will disagree with you. Globalization is a generic term, when most people speak of being against globalization they really mean they are against the worst abuses of globalization.

We live in a country that had a positive experience of dealing with Bretton Woods institutions. Here is a good read.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/EASTASIAPACIFICEXT/KOREAEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20205120~menuPK:324692~pagePK:1497618~piPK:217854~theSitePK:324645~isCURL:Y~isCURL:Y,00.html

[rollo]

Over six hundred million Chinese moved out of crushing poverty due to globalization. Forget ideology. for a moment, we are talking about six hundred million people who only ate meat once a year and that was during lunar new year, many families there was not a pair of shoes in the family. Is it all good, no but tell me what would be better. South Korea of course is another prime example of globalization benefiting a population. Nvisorth Korea is an example of non-globalization and collectivism.

[visitorq]