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Just found out employer didn't pay 2010 taxes - recourse?

 
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Just found out employer didn't pay 2010 taxes - recourse? Reply with quote

Posting for a friend (no account):

Last week I the tax office tracked me down, saying I owed them a 908,000won adjustment from 2010. They couldn't find me due to changed addresses, even though I've always been registered. Anyway, they showed me the official adjustment, and apparently my employer only reported my salary as 1,200,000won, therefore making their monthly with-holding payments very low.

I thought it was fishy, so I went to my old hakwan and picked up a copy of my pay receipts. They deducted over a million in taxes from my salary for the year, but my official adjustment from the tax office shows they only paid about 240,000.

Now, I'm stuck paying the tax office money I already paid the employer in 2010.

Anyone with experience and advice?
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not show the tax office the payslips and bank records. If the taxes have already been paid... to the employer. Then the employer is on the hook.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you file a return?
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be posting on crescents account from here on this thread:

The tax return was filed by my employer.

The tax office has already garnisheed my wages. I need to get this money back.
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have your pay slips then it's a simple matter of going there and showing them to the tax office. They will see that you DID pay it and that the fault lies with your former employer. They'll go after your employer.

If they've already taken the money from your current salary, did you ask them why? Did you ask them how to get it back? If not, ask them these things. They'll probably be able to tell you fairly quickly how to resolve the matter.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
If you have your pay slips then it's a simple matter of going there and showing them to the tax office. They will see that you DID pay it and that the fault lies with your former employer. They'll go after your employer.

If they've already taken the money from your current salary, did you ask them why? Did you ask them how to get it back? If not, ask them these things. They'll probably be able to tell you fairly quickly how to resolve the matter.

I'm asking advice from others here because there was no one able to speak above a basic level of English at the tax office. (Daegu main office). I understood they had been looking for me for a year, since I changed addresses a couple of times. They said many foreigners leave with outstanding tax debts, so they grabbed it while they thought they could.

When i was there at the tax office, it all seemed reasonable, because I recounted that 2010 was the year that foreigners would have to begin paying tax on the full 100% of their salary as opposed to 70% in years past. Since I my salary was well above average, I thought it was a legit adjustment.

But I got to thinking, and looked closely at the figures, and it seems the employer has been playing around.


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ontheway



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Income taxes, and especially withholding taxes, are dangerous, evil, and bad for the economy. As the OP has discovered, even when you think you have paid, you can be forced to pay again.

Income taxes are a personal liability. Your employer - or bank, business, corporation, partner or boss if you are a contractor; anyone who pays you any taxable income amount - withholds the taxes and remits them, but this does not relieve you from your obligation to pay the total amount due. These individuals or organizations are acting as your agent. If they fail to remit the funds, you are still liable for the full amount; if they underwithhold or report your income improperly, you are still liable for the full amount. You are also liable for any penalties and interest due.

So, the OP has discovered this dangerous, evil aspect of the income tax. In the US, with the IRS, it's even worse.

Hopefully, the OP will be able to recover from his old boss. The Tax Office may pursue the old boss, but if they can get their money from the OP, then they may be satisfied. They may go after the old boss, but their primary mission of collecting the money can be satisfied by collecting from the OP, leaving the OP in the position of collecting from his dishonest agent.

It's true that it's the government that put him into this danerous relationship by mandating the Income Tax and mandating that payors of income act as tax remitting agents. It isn't fair or just. But it's the law.

In addition, OP, you should check into your pension payments. If you were enrolled at all, it's likely that your boss also underreported your salary and only paid based on 1.2 million income. You need to go after your old boss for this as well.

And while there is no financial benefit to you, if you had the National Health Insurance, your old boss probably cheated on those payments as well. One more place to report him, although you may end up paying more as a result.

Your old boss was a crook. Is he still in business? Does he have assets to go after? You should use the Pension Office and Tax Office as much as possible to collect these amounts. You should also go to the Labor Office, although this may not fall under their jurisdiction.


Sad to say, and I still prefer being an employee, but an Independent Contractor who has a decent contract with higher pay who receives all of his income with no deductions and makes his own Tax, Health and Pension payments can avoid this problem of being cheated by an agent.
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:

Income taxes are a personal liability. Your employer - or bank, business, corporation, partner or boss if you are a contractor; anyone who pays you any taxable income amount - withholds the taxes and remits them, but this does not relieve you from your obligation to pay the total amount due. These individuals or organizations are acting as your agent. If they fail to remit the funds, you are still liable for the full amount; if they underwithhold or report your income improperly, you are still liable for the full amount. You are also liable for any penalties and interest due.


Is that stated somewhere official? If so, can you post a reference or a web link if possible?


I know that the pension office takes the opposite view to that. If you've paid your half of the pension contribution to the employer, and the employer doesn't submit it, the boys at the pension office go after the employer.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
ontheway wrote:

Income taxes are a personal liability. Your employer - or bank, business, corporation, partner or boss if you are a contractor; anyone who pays you any taxable income amount - withholds the taxes and remits them, but this does not relieve you from your obligation to pay the total amount due. These individuals or organizations are acting as your agent. If they fail to remit the funds, you are still liable for the full amount; if they underwithhold or report your income improperly, you are still liable for the full amount. You are also liable for any penalties and interest due.


Is that stated somewhere official? If so, can you post a reference or a web link if possible?


Years of experience as a public accountant. This is how income taxes work.

The tax authorities will go after your old boss, of course, but they are collecting money for the government and it is the money that is important, not who it comes from. So, if the employer cannot be found or forced to pay, the worker has to pay.

This is the nature of a relationship with an "agent."

The same thing happens, for example, with an advertising agent, real estate agent (in RE there are buyers agents and sellers agents) etc.

Suppose a firm (the client) buys advertising in a publication or for broadcast from an advertising agency. The agency places the advertising with the media outlet and bills the client. The media outlet bills the agency. The agency should pay the bill to the media outlet minus their commission (standard 10%). The firm pays the agency, but the agency fails to pay the media outlet.

In this case, the media outlet would be able to go after the client and collect the full amount even though the client had already paid the agency.



Troglodyte wrote:

I know that the pension office takes the opposite view to that. If you've paid your half of the pension contribution to the employer, and the employer doesn't submit it, the boys at the pension office go after the employer.



Yes, they will go after the employer first. In Korea, it seems, that if they are eventually unable to collect it just means that the worker has less money credited to his account and will collect less at retirement. So, if the employer cannot be found or forced to pay, the worker loses by not having the money in his account. There is no need to make the worker pay, however the worker still loses.


In the US, the IRS will force the worker to pay again if they cannot collect from the employer or some other responsible party. Very often they will collect the full amount from more than one party. The IRS is allowed to assess 100% penalties plus interest against anyone involved in any way as defined by the IRS on a case by case basis - according to the IRS rules, the IRS makes its own rules. This follows logically because Social Security is legally considered to be a welfare plan and the "promised benefits" are considered welfare payments that can be modified or revoked by Congress. So, Social Security taxes are treated as belonging to the government as general revenues.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea why you're talking about income tax in the US regarding this issue.

Ontheway, I appreciate your experience as a CPA in the US, but I'm guessing you're not one here. Am I right?
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alongway



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to the labour board. If the employer withheld money for taxes and didn't send it to the tax office, and then you had to pay it later, he was illegally withholding money. Since it's been paid again, they'll probably order him to pay the money to your friend.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update.
The tax office does have a department dedicated to sorting this type of situation out. They said they will have to do an audit of the business, which they added was a mess. No word on how long it will take to see results.
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