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mananas
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 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: Theoretical question about quitting / asked to leave |
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I have a friend here who works for a fairly prestigious (re: expensive) hagwon chain who is wanting to quit. In the contract, they say he's supposed to give 2 months notice.
He will give his notice at the beginning of August, thinking they will keep him on for those full 2 months. However, the new semester begins in September. He believes they will want to keep him on one month through the new semester simply because it states he has to give 2 months notice, and he thinks one month won't be enough time to hire someone, fly them out and train them. He also thinks they'll give him a break because the owner seems put together and they're on fairly good terms.
What do you guys think? I've never had a friend or acquaintance quit a job here so I don't know how long they're usually asked to work for. In my opinion it would make more sense for them to give him the boot after a month so they could have a fresh teacher for the new semester.
This is totally NOT me - I work for a shitty hagwon that I love and cherish and will break my back for until my 12 months and 1 day are up. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| I have a friend here who |
We don't need to know it's your friend (if that's really the truth). It could be you. Let's pretend it's you. The same advice/opinions would apply. Your friend wouldn't get better or worse treatment.
So, this kinda depends on if you will leave Korea or stay. A letter of release makes things easier if you want to stay in Korea. If you are leaving Korea, skip to the end.
Is there a reason why you want to leave at the end of August and not end of September? Do you want to find a public school in September?
Why not give 2 months notice now?
One thing that just happened recently to me is that my last school hired me in mid-April and had me sign a 14 month contract. So, I was expecting to teach this month. However, what they really wanted was for me to work 13 months and possibly 2 weeks. They didn't want to pay for a full month and we ended in May.
The reason why I brought this up is that even though you might ask/give notice for 2 months, it's ultimately up to you and the school. If the school doesn't have a teacher they will still need you. If the school finds another teacher, then they will need you to leave.
I would give them notice a few days after getting paid for June. This would give you July and part of August if need be. I think with the visa procedures now you could still work out a September job even if you left in the early part of August. If the school is nice about it, they won't tell immigration you finished until later in the month. However, I think even if that did happen, your new school could just sign you up for a longer period.
I moved to a new school last week, and I don't start until September. Maybe you can work out something similar.
On the chance you are leaving Korea, then it doesn't really matter. Let them know that you need to leave. Work out the timeline you want and see how they react. If they don't budge and stay greedy wanting all 2 months, then leave after you get paid. If they understand and are willing to work something out, then act accordingly.
A lot of this depends on how the school responds. |
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mananas
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I forgot to mention an important detail --
My friend actually wants to stay the two full months -- he doesn't want to leave in September. He says he needs that extra money. We are supposed to be going traveling together but it's hard to plan given that this all depends on how the hagwon reacts -- which indeed, is the focus of my question. We won't really know how the hagwon will react until they are actually informed, but I created this post to get a better idea of what to really expect when it happens so I can make my own plans.
But thanks for your response... they are going to do whatever is convenient for them, that's true. |
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Pablo
Joined: 15 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Theoretical question about quitting / asked to leave |
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| mananas wrote: |
| 12 months and 1 day |
Mananas, why is there an extra day? |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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60 day notice requirements always make me nervous
it's like giving the employer the option to fire you at the end of 30 days saying you gave notice 30 days prior so that lets them off the hook.
when items like this are in a contract, you have to understand everything is going to work in their favor and they could really care less about anything for the teacher.
as you said, giving notice so close to the school year isn't going to go over very well.
might want to adjust those plans to leave earlier and/or just give 30 days notice and a heartful "I'm sorry" if he's a good teacher, they'll throw a temper tantrum and fuss but in the end, I don't think it will really hurt all that much, giving all things being acceptable otherwise. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Theoretical question about quitting / asked to leave |
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| Pablo wrote: |
| mananas wrote: |
| 12 months and 1 day |
Mananas, why is there an extra day? |
haven't you heard? Korean contract years are 366 days  |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| My friend actually wants to stay the two full months - |
Actually, they want to stay a full 4 months. I don't know why you are rejecting June and July but grouping August and September.
In reality, your friend wants money for June, July, August, and September. That's 4 months = 8,000,000 won at least.
So, give notice in September and see how they react. Don't say, "Here is my 60 day notice". Just make a note that you have to quit after you get paid for August. Then, when you get paid for September, sometime in early October leave.
I wouldn't worry about the 2 month thing. Unless they specifically bring it up, there isn't much they can do.
Also, don't expect whatever you do to get paid exactly at the end of September. It isn't gonna happen. |
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oppa637
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| If its in contract, I think it best to fulfill your part but that's me. |
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soomin
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
60 day notice requirements always make me nervous
it's like giving the employer the option to fire you at the end of 30 days saying you gave notice 30 days prior so that lets them off the hook.
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I agree with this... I would tell him to plan for the earliest he wants out. Then 30 days prior to that, give your "2 months notice." A lot of the time they don't want you to work that whole time, but are just trying to buy themselves enough time to find a replacement. Usually as soon as they find someone it's "please get out of the new teacher's house" (aka, your house), and you're on your own.
You have to remember that the day you say you want to quit is the day they're going to A. start looking, B. start threatening/coercing you to stay. It can make relationships tense, as well... so your friend needs to stay strong and get ready for extra work and being cut off from the other workers. |
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