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cj1976
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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: Article in the KH about The Gays in Korea |
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| I saw this in The KH this morning and it made me laugh out loud. There's nothing particularly wrong with the article, but those two fellas mincing about with the rainbow umbrellas is just fabulous.. |
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soomin
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ...do you have a link to the article? ^.^ |
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cj1976
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting article. Hopefully Korea can become a more tolerant place of people who are different in one way, but often so very similar in many others. |
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soomin
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
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northway
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| soomin wrote: |
| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
There are, but there are also huge swaths of the country where homophobia is a big faux pas at this point. It wouldn't be surprising to see Seoul become a bastion of acceptance while the rest of the country remains staunchly opposed to homosexuality, a la the Northeast and the South. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| I honestly think Korea will come to accept homosexuality faster than the US has. Perhaps tolerate is the right word. I don't see the same type of hostile homophobia as I've seen in the States, except for perhaps certain Christians. Even most of the Christians I know who are "against" gays are not particularly hateful; they consider it weird and abnormal. I think that's the general attitude of Koreans regarding homosexuality I've personally observed. Not really accepting of it, but not necessarily seeing it as a target of hate and violence either. Gay marriage on the other hand might be a entirely different issue. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| I honestly think Korea will come to accept homosexuality faster than the US has. Perhaps tolerate is the right word. I don't see the same type of hostile homophobia as I've seen in the States, except for perhaps certain Christians. Even most of the Christians I know who are "against" gays are not particularly hateful; they consider it weird and abnormal. I think that's the general attitude of Koreans regarding homosexuality I've personally observed. Not really accepting of it, but not necessarily seeing it as a target of hate and violence either. Gay marriage on the other hand might be a entirely different issue. |
Agreed. Homosexuality in Korea seems to be more of a curiosity than a sin, for most people, anyway. Also, in the Korean context homosexuality isn't different merely for the sexual aspect, but also for the rejection of traditional norms by which the vast majority of people live their lives: get married, buy an apartment, have kids, rinse and repeat. To be openly gay would be to exist entirely outside of that bubble, which few Koreans (including the well educated) seem readily willing or able to do. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| soomin wrote: |
| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
There are, but there are also huge swaths of the country where homophobia is a big faux pas at this point. It wouldn't be surprising to see Seoul become a bastion of acceptance while the rest of the country remains staunchly opposed to homosexuality, a la the Northeast and the South. |
Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
A better question: Why should it be shunned?
But I guess if you would read the article, you would see that Korean hasn't always been against homosexuality.
Either way I'm always glad to hear of Korea becoming more open minded. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| soomin wrote: |
| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
There are, but there are also huge swaths of the country where homophobia is a big faux pas at this point. It wouldn't be surprising to see Seoul become a bastion of acceptance while the rest of the country remains staunchly opposed to homosexuality, a la the Northeast and the South. |
Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
Except it hasn't....
The Ancient Greeks were notorious for homosexual relationships and Romans like Catullus wrote some insanely raunchy poems about sexual activities, both straight and gay. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| soomin wrote: |
| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
There are, but there are also huge swaths of the country where homophobia is a big faux pas at this point. It wouldn't be surprising to see Seoul become a bastion of acceptance while the rest of the country remains staunchly opposed to homosexuality, a la the Northeast and the South. |
Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
Why should women have rights? The oppression of women dates back to the beginning of time. Why should slavery be illegal? That too dates back to the beginning of time. We could play this game all day, but ultimately, it's pretty dumb to claim that something should be the way it is simply because it has always been that way. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
| Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
You aren't too big on 'history', are you? |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| lithium wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| soomin wrote: |
| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
There are, but there are also huge swaths of the country where homophobia is a big faux pas at this point. It wouldn't be surprising to see Seoul become a bastion of acceptance while the rest of the country remains staunchly opposed to homosexuality, a la the Northeast and the South. |
Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
Except it hasn't....
The Ancient Greeks were notorious for homosexual relationships and Romans like Catullus wrote some insanely raunchy poems about sexual activities, both straight and gay. |
Yes but don't forget that in those days, boys were more practical than girls to have with you on a campaign fighting xx country, thousands of miles from home. Boys are stronger, they did more than just serve as sexual outlets. The whole dynamic of the relationship had little to do with homosexuality.
This is just a personal opinion, btw - prove me wrong and I will give you an imaginary cookie of your choice.  |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| sml7285 wrote: |
| lithium wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| soomin wrote: |
| hmm... he said it would be at least 40 years before homosexuals were accepted here... Maybe? But considering how many staunch homophobes there are in the States... I guess 40 years is the estimate on how long it will take the older generation to die out... |
There are, but there are also huge swaths of the country where homophobia is a big faux pas at this point. It wouldn't be surprising to see Seoul become a bastion of acceptance while the rest of the country remains staunchly opposed to homosexuality, a la the Northeast and the South. |
Why should something be "accepted" that has been shunned since the beginning of time? |
Except it hasn't....
The Ancient Greeks were notorious for homosexual relationships and Romans like Catullus wrote some insanely raunchy poems about sexual activities, both straight and gay. |
Yes but don't forget that in those days, boys were more practical than girls to have with you on a campaign fighting xx country, thousands of miles from home. Boys are stronger, they did more than just serve as sexual outlets. The whole dynamic of the relationship had little to do with homosexuality.
This is just a personal opinion, btw - prove me wrong and I will give you an imaginary cookie of your choice. |
Well - Read Catullus 56 (http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e56.htm), Catullus 50 (http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e50.htm) and Catullus 16 (http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e16.htm). I don't think this is a "campaign fighting xx country, thousands of miles from home" dynamic. |
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