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Tyshine



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Co-teacher removes students from class after small argument Reply with quote

I'll try and keep it short. We had a speaking test, and I needed to record the students. The computer had some sort of error, and it wasn't working. This had happened earlier in the day, but we used my other co-teachers laptop and it wasn't an issue. I had got the recording to work again, but it the computer auto shuts down and some of the settings change. About 10 minutes before class I realize its not working, and I can't remember how I got it working before as its all in Korean and I just messed with settings until I got it. I thought it would be faster to just get the computer technician over and fix it. I tell my morning co-teacher who is in the office.

When the other co-teacher shows up for class. She tells me I made a mistake and I should have told her sooner. I brush it off as it is her way. It turns out the computer technician knows little about computers, and even worse repeats the same things over and over after it is clear he needs to do something else. My co-teacher is becoming more upset, and says to me again in a more accusatory tone I made a mistake. I brush it off again. Finally, we try her laptop as I suggested earlier and it didn't work for whatever reason. At this point she has gotten quite angry and comes back to scold me again. At this point I am irritated, and say that I don't think its very helpful to tell me about my big mistake. She ignores this and with less than 15 minutes left tells me I need to do my lesson.

At this point I am not thinking straight. I have tried to explain about when I knew about the computer problem, but she only listened to when I said there was a problem in the morning and walked away before I could finish explaining the rest (she has an annoying trait of not really listening to me). I tell her its test day, and I don't have a lesson. She flips out and says I need to have something prepared for computer problems. The truth is I do, but am not thinking straight. I say to her (not shouting, but not happy) why should I do my lesson it is test day. Then I realize what I am saying and say I have backups on my USB, but its too late. She tells the students to stand up, and then she takes them out of the classroom. After she left I fixed the computer problem. She eventually came back to her office and slammed the door.

My question is why did she take the kids out of the classroom? How much trouble do you think I will get into for this?

Also I realize I made a mistake in saying why should I do my lesson. I was thinking with anger, and would rather not have this become a discussion about that.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy her some flowers and apologise. It'll be easier in the longterm.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you normally have a decent working relationship with the co-teacher, it should blow over and not be a big deal with her.

The bigger problem in my eyes is how she disrespected you in front of the students and how you will keep and maintain classroom control for your future classes.

Why did she take them out of the room? Where did her and the students go? To conduct some kind of time killing activity since the computer technical problem was getting in the way of the regularly scheduled activity?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you need a computer if it is a speaking test? I don't understand that part.
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Tyshine



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
Why do you need a computer if it is a speaking test? I don't understand that part.


I was told I was required to record the test. My phone battery was dead, and I do not bring a laptop to school.
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Tyshine



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

passport220 wrote:
If you normally have a decent working relationship with the co-teacher, it should blow over and not be a big deal with her.

The bigger problem in my eyes is how she disrespected you in front of the students and how you will keep and maintain classroom control for your future classes.

Why did she take them out of the room? Where did her and the students go? To conduct some kind of time killing activity since the computer technical problem was getting in the way of the regularly scheduled activity?


We got along pretty well, but she wasn't any help in the classroom so I am not worried about that. She sits in the back and doesn't do anything normally. In the beginning I tried getting her to help, and she tried for a while. When I asked for advice about students chatting or sleeping students, she just said don't worry they do that in my class too and it will get better.

I should say we had a small argument once before over a miscommunication. There was no yelling, but she pouted and was angry at me for a few weeks. Eventually, I said I was sorry and it was a misunderstanding, even though she insisted it was my mistake (the mistake was her use of the word recommend meant you must do this).
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they want you to record the test, they need to provide the recording equipment.

It should not be your responsibility, although I can see your kt saying so.
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Tyshine



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
If they want you to record the test, they need to provide the recording equipment.

It should not be your responsibility, although I can see your kt saying so.


The school has recording equipment, but the computer I use is programed to auto shut down. This changed some settings, or maybe I clicked on something that changed it. Her problem was I did not tell her sooner, but she was not around and I told another teacher once I was aware of this problem.

Also I share an office with her. I can assure you she is one to hold a grudge as after our first argument I tried to have a calm discussion, but she ignored me until she cooled down after a few weeks.

Has this happened to anyone else before? I found it strange for her to take the students out of the classroom, and felt like you was trying to do something to make me look really bad (possibly bringing them in front of the vice principal).
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Tyshine



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a meeting and we worked it out. I told her I didn't do the last 15 minutes of the lesson because I was angry. She admitted she was angry and said she understood, but some students complained there was no lesson and that if they complain to the administration it will be a big problem (I don't know if that is true or not, but hey whatever).
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the wonderful world of co-teachers.

That's why I left Korea. (among other things)

Co-teachers can be really great or really awful, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount towards the awful side of the scale.


Just do your best and when she acts like a spoiled 3-year-old, smile

and try not to take it personally.

Once she sees that she can't get a rise out of you, she will calm down.

(hopefully)
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lithium



Joined: 18 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think everyone has had situations similar to the one with your co-teacher. Take it in stride and follow the normal protocol. I do suggest that you offer a class on the proper use of commas.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have just started the test without the computer, grading the kids myself (assuming this was a possibility).

Teachers always need to know their place in Korea: it's at the bottom. Avoid conflict at all costs AS YOU WILL LOSE unless for some strange reason they actually value you. The average ESL teacher here in Korea is considered replaceable and held in less-than-high esteem.

Here's the pecking order:

1. The Principal
2. The moms
3. Korean Teachers
4. everyone else
5. The Native Teacher
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had real problems with a co-teacher at an elementary school I used to work at. She was rude and very childish. I never gave an inch when she tried to blame me for everything and ignored her in the hope that it would stop her strange behaviour. It didn't but I had another co-teacher who I got on fine with. He was a functioning alcoholic who would set up all the equipment for me then put his head on the desk and sleep. I would then do my lesson. If any kids were disruptive I would wake up my co-teacher who would berate them with the rage that only a recently woken up hung over madman could summon. I actually liked the alcoholic co-teacher and 3 years later I received an email from the argumentative co-teacher apologizing for her behaviour.

My point is that co-teachers are a difficult bunch to deal with. Do your job as well as you can but don't allow them to use you as a scapegoat.
Good luck.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^Cool.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of co-teachers.

That's why I left Korea. (among other things)

Co-teachers can be really great or really awful, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount towards the awful side of the scale.


Just do your best and when she acts like a spoiled 3-year-old, smile

and try not to take it personally.

Once she sees that she can't get a rise out of you, she will calm down.

(hopefully)


I totally agree. Nothing short of insanity at times.

You try to do something positive and it's often clouded by language issues - either spoken between two people or as in your case in the computer language. They have a breakdown and act like your mistake is the first to be experienced in the education system here. We apologize and buy them stuff.
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