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Korea's utter lack of a child safety culture
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IamBabo



Joined: 16 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: safety Reply with quote

Yeah, I've been driving here for over 5 years and to me it seems to have not changed at all or even gotten worse. In the last week, I have almost hit 2 small children with my car because of stupid uncaring/irresponsible "caregivers." And this is just in my apartment complex parking lot! There are always kids hopping around the backseat, not strapped in at all, etc. Idiot bus drivers blowing red lights, I count to five before I go these days to avoid death by bus. To me it's about accountability and enforcement. Nobody ever does anything about it. Police are useless too. I'm from Massachusetts, a place that has some rough Staties, but I'd prefer them patrolling the roads over the hungover, laissez-faire jokers here with lights always flashing for no reason Keystone Kops. Oh, and the selfish nature of people doesn't help at all either. Bbali Bbali at any cost...
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savant wrote:
Time and time again, you see Korean parents who don't have their eyes on their child or could care less what that child is doing.
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Couldn't. Couldn't care less.

"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.
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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinC wrote:

Swimming pools kill 1 in 10,000 children (guns 1 in a million), some rough concrete will graze your knee and teach you about taking control of your actions (as will barbed wire unless you're extremely unlucky).

Those people flying through red lights are irresponsible but so are the nanny-state, super-concious, paranoid parents who drive their kids everywhere and wrap them in cotton wool. How will they ever learn about personal responsibility and taking risks when the most risky action they will take is choosing rock, paper or scissors?

goreality is spot on; I was at a water park on Saturday and you had to wear a life jacket to use the 'rapid river' (which wasn't rapid and was only 1m deep), even if you're a 6 foot plus adult !


Alot of older koreans can't swim...that doesn't stop them from being dragged or goaded into going to a waterpark or pool by other people.

Owning a pool in the states usually has laws or strong encouragement to build a fence. Apparently groups of kids will try sneaking in....then the group of friends find out lil' billy lied....he can't swim...especially at 3 am at night with no lights.

Talk about a tough cleaning job the next morning when he enters the filter Shocked
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Lolimahro



Joined: 19 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A year and a half ago, one of the kindergarten students (Korean age 3 - so probably barely 2 years old) came toddling up 2 flights of stairs by himself to my elementary school (the kinder is on the bottom floor). He had actually exited the building *by himself*, walked around the building and come up the stairs. No one knew who he was or where he was from. He was wearing a nametag but no one answered the number that was on the tag when a staff member made a phone call. I went downstairs to talk to the kinder director and she wasn't aware of any missing children.

As it was quitting time and I had my own child to pick up, I left him in the care of another teacher.

What actually happened was that the teacher gave the child to a 6th grade student, the teacher left the building, and the student was put in charge of finding who the child belonged to. Apparently none of the teachers in the kindergarten knew the kid was missing - even though most of the children had already left the kindergarten and so the teachers weren't busy teaching students at that time - but the kid's Korean age 5-year-old (read: barely 4 years old) brother was looking for him.

This is the starkest example I can find of "not having a culture of child safety". It's not the actual things that people do (leaving a toddler in the care of a child so you can go home and do whatever), it's the idea that there is nothing wrong with that, and the complete lack of foresight. When I came back to work the next day and inquired what had happened with the child, and none of the adults knew a thing, I was shocked. One employee even told me, "I didn't think about it as deeply as you did" when I mentioned how worried I had been, what if it had been my son, etc.

Just, the social awareness of general child safety - for one's own children or for children in general - doesn't seem to be as prevalent here as other places I have been (I won't even say "back in the U.S." because some parts can be fairly lackadaisical about child safety there, too).

And really, the carseat thing is a whole other matter. It seems every other infant in a car seat I see is in the front passenger seat, and may or may not be strapped in. It's like people think car seats have force fields in tact and that the higher the cost of the item the less damage it will sustain in any given crash. I know that Korea is changing, and the U.S. didn't mandate carseats until 1984 (or thereabouts), but I keep wondering how many awful tragedies will have to happen to produce significant change in this matter. It's the reason I don't mind keeping my kindergarten-aged son home from field trips, why I prefer the train to the bus, and why I avoid taxis unless they have a functioning seat belt for him to use if possible.
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Savant



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
Savant wrote:
Time and time again, you see Korean parents who don't have their eyes on their child or could care less what that child is doing.
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Couldn't. Couldn't care less.

"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.


Minor error on my part for not going over my reply.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savant wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
Savant wrote:
Time and time again, you see Korean parents who don't have their eyes on their child or could care less what that child is doing.
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Couldn't. Couldn't care less.

"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.


Minor error on my part for not going over my reply.


You're free to go.

Smile

For some people, it's not a mistake, but the way they think it should be said/written. A bewildering opinion.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.


For extensive purposes, people take these phrases for granite and they could care less. Escape goat.
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.

For extensive purposes, people take these phrases for granite and they could care less. Escape goat.

Generally I would agree, but in this thread it's kind of a moo point
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JustinC



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
Except, have you paid attention to the fact that children here are OFTEN not belted up? Have you noticed how many fathers take their kids to schools on scooters and only the father wears a helmet? I see it literally every single morning. I'm pretty sure helmets are mandatory and Korea has one of the highest accident rates in the developed world.

Do you really think that super-protective parents harm their child's sense of personal responsibility? Didn't hurt me. Albeit it such overbearing care does have its negatives, but it don't think your comparison is a good one. You think it's better for children to learn such lessons from the broken leg they earned by not looking for traffic? What does a coma teach them?


Yeah, I've seen kids wandering around the car in lots of countries, but I was talking about special children's car seats being made mandatory and being in-affective. I also mentioned the use of life jackets and pools being bigger killers than guns (in the developed world, at least), but that didn't stop your tirade about lots of other issues I hadn't even mentioned.

Maybe not everyone in Korea is brought up to your 'standards' but, you know what, I don't think they care a jot about your standards and have their own that they live by. If they knew more about you they'd probably look down on you too. So what? People disagree. No need to get your knickers in a twist.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
fermentation wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.

For extensive purposes, people take these phrases for granite and they could care less. Escape goat.

Generally I would agree, but in this thread it's kind of a moo point

You're a pair of rocket surgeons, you guys are. A real example of survival of the fitness.
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea's utter lack of a child safety culture Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
I'm currently teaching at an elementary school. I've just come from my classroom. I went to move a fan to the front of the room. I went over to it, bent down to unplug the fan from the power cable and got the most powerful electric shock of my life. I yelled out louder than I've ever yelled in my life. They must have heard me across town. The shock was so powerful that forty minutes later my hand is still semi-numb. This is at a public school. After I recovered from my shock I became angry. What if I had asked one of my students to unplug the fan? I'm a large man, and the shock hit me hard. What if instead of me one of my students had taken the hit? What if the child had a heart condition.



Smithington wrote:

Every day I find some child safety issue that really bothers me. From parents teaching their childen unsafe road-crossing habits,


hmm. you seem to think this behavior is limited to korea. is this example kind of like how new yorkers literally wait IN the street until the crossing sign turns green? (i'm a new yorker and guilty of this btw) or perhaps how some country kids enjoy laying in the middle of a street playing "chicken"? oh, you probably didn't think of that did you?


Smithington wrote:

failing to put children in safety seats,



but tossing little billy bob, billy sue, billy willy and billy jean (who was not my lover) in the back of a pickup truck is a non-issue eh?



Smithington wrote:

motorcycles on the sidewalk


they are called scooters or motorbikes, not motorcycles. and i'd much rather have a scooter going 5kmh on the sidewalk than watching morons blow by me on the pennsylvania turnpike on their real motorcycles doing 150khm while also performing a wheelie.



Smithington wrote:

This country has absolutely no child safety culture and it's pissing me off.



i think you must have been brought up in either a small sleepy town or in a suburb. because if you were raised in any major city you'd see that while korea does have its fair share of issues and silly things that threaten the safety of children, that growing up in inner city atlanta for example, is a MUCH bigger danger to a child's well being than a fan with worn electric insulation.

also, your correlation to getting a shock from a fan has no real causation to child safety or the lack thereof. i guarantee if you unplug something enough times you will at some point get shocked. for irony's sake and my own amusement it'd be fun if next time it were the a/c adapter for your manpad3000 that you keep in your child-inaccessible man-cave.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ LOL.

Wishfulthinkng meet Steelrails. Steelrails meet Wishfulthinkng.
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wishfullthinkng



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
^ LOL.

Wishfulthinkng meet Steelrails. Steelrails meet Wishfulthinkng.


dumb statements just get dumber i suppose.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
comm wrote:
fermentation wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.

For extensive purposes, people take these phrases for granite and they could care less. Escape goat.

Generally I would agree, but in this thread it's kind of a moo point

You're a pair of rocket surgeons, you guys are. A real example of survival of the fitness.


This thread has definately gotten rediculous. Its run it's course so just drop it. I should of clicked on something else.
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tealeaf



Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
comm wrote:
fermentation wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
"Could care less" makes absolutely no sense. One of my biggest pet peeves, taking a particularly useful phrase and retarding it.

For extensive purposes, people take these phrases for granite and they could care less. Escape goat.

Generally I would agree, but in this thread it's kind of a moo point

You're a pair of rocket surgeons, you guys are. A real example of survival of the fitness.


Funny!
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