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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: Iranian Veep Blames Zionists for Drug Trade |
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Iranian Anti-Semitism Gets Even Crazier
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Mr. Rahimi, second in line to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the Talmud teaches to �destroy everyone who opposes the Jews.�
The �Zionists� are in firm control of the illegal drug trade, Mr. Rahimi said, asking foreign dignitaries to research his claims. �Zionists� is Iran�s ideological term for Jews who support the state of Israel.
�The Islamic Republic of Iran will pay for anybody who can research and find one single Zionist who is an addict,� Mr. Rahmini said. �They do not exist. This is the proof of their involvement in drugs trade.�
What made his remarks even more striking is that Iran�s fight against illegal drugs is one of the few issues on which the Islamic republic can count on Western sympathy. Iran�s battle to stop the flow of drugs coming in from neighboring Afghanistan has often been mentioned as a potential field of cooperation during negotiations over the country�s nuclear program. |
I'm sure these remarks were taken out of context, or mistranslated, or something. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Supposedly Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy in the world. Also since the fall of the Soviet Union there has been a fair number of Russian Jews who came over and got involved in the drug trade. It is possible that what he said is partially correct. Of course Afghanistan is a much bigger source. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Over a long enough period of time, I'm pretty sure the term "Zionist" will entirely replace the term "scapegoat". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Supposedly Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy in the world. . |
No verifiable citations? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Supposedly Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy in the world. . |
No verifiable citations? |
No google? http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israelis-at-center-of-ecstasy-drug-trade-1.13809
"Israel is at the center of international trade in the drug ecstasy, according to a document published last week by the U.S. State Department."
If you search for information about Israeli organized crime, it is actually pretty interesting stuff. They have families just like in New York, with the Russians being the new faces, but pretty powerful with connections to the Russian Mob. I know that they are the biggest ecstasy exporters to America, Europe and Australia, but I'm not sure if their product is what is in Iran, and I'm sure that the heroin that is the bigger problem is mostly, if not all, from Afghanistan. The idea that Israel is exporting drugs to Iran though, is probably to some extent accurate. Of course that doesn't really validate the original comment in the thread. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Supposedly Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy in the world. . |
No verifiable citations? |
No google? http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israelis-at-center-of-ecstasy-drug-trade-1.13809
"Israel is at the center of international trade in the drug ecstasy, according to a document published last week by the U.S. State Department."
If you search for information about Israeli organized crime, it is actually pretty interesting stuff. They have families just like in New York, with the Russians being the new faces, but pretty powerful with connections to the Russian Mob. I know that they are the biggest ecstasy exporters to America, Europe and Australia, but I'm not sure if their product is what is in Iran, and I'm sure that the heroin that is the bigger problem is mostly, if not all, from Afghanistan. The idea that Israel is exporting drugs to Iran though, is probably to some extent accurate. Of course that doesn't really validate the original comment in the thread. |
You need to source what I put in bold. I don't care what the illicit drug trade is like in Israel. The Veep made the claim that Zionists export drugs. Well, do you have any evidence supporting this psychotic-why-are-you-so-intent-on-taking-it-seriously claim? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Supposedly Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy in the world. . |
No verifiable citations? |
No google? http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israelis-at-center-of-ecstasy-drug-trade-1.13809
"Israel is at the center of international trade in the drug ecstasy, according to a document published last week by the U.S. State Department."
If you search for information about Israeli organized crime, it is actually pretty interesting stuff. They have families just like in New York, with the Russians being the new faces, but pretty powerful with connections to the Russian Mob. I know that they are the biggest ecstasy exporters to America, Europe and Australia, but I'm not sure if their product is what is in Iran, and I'm sure that the heroin that is the bigger problem is mostly, if not all, from Afghanistan. The idea that Israel is exporting drugs to Iran though, is probably to some extent accurate. Of course that doesn't really validate the original comment in the thread. |
Do you not know the difference between saying that Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy and stating that criminal groups within Israel are one of the biggest exporters?
Also your link doesn't exactly support the comment in your quote that I bolded.
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In recent years, organized crime in Israel, some with links to criminal organizations in Russia, have come to control the distribution of the drug in Europe, according to a Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs document.
(2) The same document also points out that Israeli criminal groups have a hand in the distribution of ecstasy in North America.
(3) During 2000, 80 percent of the ecstasy seized in North America originated in the Netherlands, which is the largest production center, along with Belgium and Poland. The State Department is certain that Israeli organizations are linked to the laboratories in the Netherlands and are responsible for the worldwide distribution. |
(numbers are mine)
1. They claim that Israel has come to control the ecstasy drug trade in Europe. Well last I checked Iran wasn't in Europe.
2. Neither is Iran in North America and a "hand" isn't exactly being a main distributor anyway.
3. As we see the ecstasy originated in the Netherlands. Belgium and Poland are also mentioned as larger production centers
So we have three European countries who are the largest production centers as opposed to Israel...who is somehow supposedly linked to this. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Supposedly Israel is one of the biggest exporters of ecstasy in the world. . |
No verifiable citations? |
No google? http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israelis-at-center-of-ecstasy-drug-trade-1.13809
"Israel is at the center of international trade in the drug ecstasy, according to a document published last week by the U.S. State Department."
If you search for information about Israeli organized crime, it is actually pretty interesting stuff. They have families just like in New York, with the Russians being the new faces, but pretty powerful with connections to the Russian Mob. I know that they are the biggest ecstasy exporters to America, Europe and Australia, but I'm not sure if their product is what is in Iran, and I'm sure that the heroin that is the bigger problem is mostly, if not all, from Afghanistan. The idea that Israel is exporting drugs to Iran though, is probably to some extent accurate. Of course that doesn't really validate the original comment in the thread. |
You need to source what I put in bold. I don't care what the illicit drug trade is like in Israel. The Veep made the claim that Zionists export drugs. Well, do you have any evidence supporting this psychotic-why-are-you-so-intent-on-taking-it-seriously claim? |
I think his claim is crazy and not to be taken seriously. I tried searching for this, but all the engine turned up was pages and pages of news about this particular story, so I didn't spend the time to find a source. I am not even claiming that Israel is a major exporter to Iran, but ecstasy use, and other designer drugs, in Iran have been going up, and Israel is one of the biggest, if not the biggest source, of that drug in the world so it would be highly unlikely that none of the drugs originated in Israel. I found all of this information interesting and was sharing what I learned about Israeli organized crime with the board, but in a way his claim is correct that Israel does in deed export drugs, but I'm not sure if it is correct to say that "Zionists" do. The rest of his claim that they control the drug industry or that there are no Zionists who are addicts are obviously wrong. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| [ and Israel is one of the biggest, if not the biggest source, of that drug in the world . |
Except that your own link contradicts this claim.
It points out that the Netherlands is the biggest source along with Belgium and Poland.
It says that Israel is a main distributor
Let's keep our facts straight please. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| [ and Israel is one of the biggest, if not the biggest source, of that drug in the world . |
Except that your own link contradicts this claim.
It points out that the Netherlands is the biggest source along with Belgium and Poland.
It says that Israel is a main distributor
Let's keep our facts straight please. |
Ok, Israeli crime family controlled labs in the Netherlands, among other places, are some of the biggest producers of the drug, and the Israeli mob is the biggest distributor in the world. As to your other statement, of course every one knows there is a difference between the state of Israel being the biggest exporter of ecstasy, and saying that Israeli criminal groups are. When people say something like Korea is the biggest producer of Kimchi, does any one think that they mean the actual state?
As to the link I used, I just used the first thing that popped up in google. Israeli involvement in ecstasy has been on going, and is well known. The idea that there is no Israeli (criminal groups  ) involved in the Iranian drug trade is silly. I'm not saying that they make up a huge part of it, but that in a global trade like drugs, with Israel being a major distributor and in the same region the likelihood of involvement is very high. I'm not really trying to make any anti-Israeli points, I just added it because I thought it was interesting, and most people don't know about Israeli organized crime. The original topic is pretty, I mean Iran's leaders say stupid and crazy things on a fairly regular basis, so that's why I brought it up. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew those Mexicans were really Zionists all along! |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/05/09TELAVIV1098.html
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FM AMEMBASSY TEL AVIV
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 1845
INFO RUEHJM/AMCONSUL JERUSALEM 2041
RUCNFB/FBI WASHDC//INTD/CTD/CT WATCH//
RHMFIUU/US CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION WASHDC
RUEAHLC/HOMELAND SECURITY CENTER WASHDC 0068
RUEHRO/AMEMBASSY ROME 7509
UNCLAS TEL AVIV 001098
C O R R E C T E D C O P Y (CORRECTED ADDEE)
DEPT FOR CA/VO/L/C; CA/VO/L/A; CA/FPP SARAH SEXTON; INR/TIPOFF; DS
OFAC
ROME FOR DHS/ICE
CA/FPP: PLEASE PASS TO DOJ LISA HOLTYN AND BRUCE OHR
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958:N/A
TAGS: CVIS SNAR CMGT KFRD KCOR KCRM KTIP PINR IS
SUBJECT: ISRAEL: A PROMISED LAND FOR ORGANIZED CRIME?
Summary
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�1. (SBU) Organized crime (OC) has longstanding roots in Israel, but
in recent years there has been a sharp increase in the reach and
impact of OC networks. In seeking a competitive advantage in such
lucrative trades as narcotics and prostitution, Israeli crime groups
have demonstrated their ability and willingness to engage in violent
attacks on each other with little regard for innocent bystanders.
The Israeli National Police (INP) and the courts have engaged in a
vigorous campaign against organized crime leaders, including the
creation of a new specialized anti-OC unit, but they remain unable
to cope with the full scope of the problem. Organized crime in
Israel now has global reach, with direct impact inside the United
States. Post is currently utilizing all available tools to deny
Israeli OC figures access to the United States in order to prevent
them from furthering their criminal activities on U.S. soil. End |
The above is the summary.
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�9. (SBU) Israeli OC now plays a significant role in the global drug
trade, providing both a local consumer market and an important
transit point to Europe and the United States. In 2004, Zeev
Rosenstein was arrested in Israel for possession of 700,000 ecstasy
tablets in his New York apartment, destined for distribution in the
U.S. market. He was ultimately extradited to the United States in
2006, where he is currently serving a 12-year prison sentence. Two
other crime figures, Meir Abergil and Israel Ozifa, are also facing
U.S. extradition charges on charges that include smuggling 100,000
ecstasy tablets into the United States. |
and so on. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| [. The idea that there is no Israeli (criminal groups ) involved in the Iranian drug trade is silly. . |
Of course it is....which is why no one said anything like that. You were asked to source the claim that Israel exports drugs and not about criminal elements within the county.
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| TEHRAN � Iran�s vice president delivered a baldly anti-Semitic speech on Tuesday at an international antidrug conference here, saying that the Talmud, a central text of Judaism, was responsible for the spread of illegal drugs around the world. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to say it, but Rahimi's allegations are really no more preposterous than what Ronald Reagan said about Nicaragua in a televised speech(that I remember watching) in 1986. He claimed that the Sandinistas had vandalized and desecrated a synagogue, including by spray-painting swastikas on the wall.
The story was a complete fabrication. Even as a high-school kid, I knew that painting swastikas everywhere wasn't something that Marxists would do.
Coincidentally, given the nature of Rahim's allegations, Reagan also claimed that the Sandinistas were exporting drugs to the US. Maybe they were, I don't know, but given how hallucinatory the rest of Reagan's speech was, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he said. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to say it, but Rahimi's allegations are really no more preposterous than what Ronald Reagan said about Nicaragua in a televised speech(that I remember watching) in 1986. He claimed that the Sandinistas had vandalized and desecrated a synagogue, including by spray-painting swastikas on the wall.
The story was a complete fabrication. Even as a high-school kid, I knew that painting swastikas everywhere wasn't something that Marxists would do.
Coincidentally, given the nature of Rahim's allegations, Reagan also claimed that the Sandinistas were exporting drugs to the US. Maybe they were, I don't know, but given how hallucinatory the rest of Reagan's speech was, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he said. |
It was actually Ollie North and the Contra's who profited most from shipping drugs into America- but of course Reagan didn't want to say that. |
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