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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's utter lack of a child safety culture |
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Dishonesty? I copied and pasted a link. The link did not break down the stats by population and vehicles on the road. If it had you might have had a point.
As for not accounting for injuries it didn't mention that either. But while we are on the subject do you have a link for this claim that many traffic injuries are settled in fovor of blood money and unreported?
Otherwise it's sheer speculation that such incidents make up a substantial amount of the total.
But while we are talking about "blood money"...you are aware that most cases in America are settled out of court?
97% of civil cases are either dismissed or settled before trial
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2004/05/31/newscolumn5.html?page=all
70% of all cases are settled out of court. Only about 6% go to trial.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/04/us/the-law-settling-out-of-court-gamble-or-skill.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
It shows overwhelmingly that people prefer to settle their own disputes and prefer to take whatever compensation they can get without the hassle and time of a trial. |
What you did, was paste a misleading link. And you did it again in the post quoted above. If you can't see why, then we are done here.
Even the assertion that most cases in the US are settled out of court does not negate the fact that those incidents were initially reported and they remain on record.
Here, private blood money settlements are not on record unless there are criminal charges initially. If you want to dispute that the majority of cases here are settled through blood money, then that's your problem. I'm not interested in proving the obvious. You're welcome to prove me wrong, seeing as you're so superior and all. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
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| If all this was a big a deal as you say, there would be a dramatic difference in life expectancy between the US and Korea. There isn't. Clearly, it doesn't matter all that much. |
And this is where I stopped reading. What's clear, is that you don't know how to apply statistics. Enjoy the imaginary argument you created with yourself. |
What have you shown? A bunch of examples of moronic behavior leading you to conclude there is a problem. But if what you saw was such a problem, kids should be dropping like flies. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| If all this was a big a deal as you say, there would be a dramatic difference in life expectancy between the US and Korea. There isn't. Clearly, it doesn't matter all that much. |
And this is where I stopped reading. What's clear, is that you don't know how to apply statistics. Enjoy the imaginary argument you created with yourself. |
What have you shown? A bunch of examples of moronic behavior leading you to conclude there is a problem. But if what you saw was such a problem, kids should be dropping like flies. |
Yeah, nothing that you can see Steelrails. Arguing with to you is like trying to reason with a robot.
It may not be clear to you that all those examples i listed are endemic. It may not matter to you that I started noticing most of them in my first year here, and that eleven years on they still happen. It may also not matter to you that those things are observed by many others here. But, what should matter is, according to the stats i posted earlier showing Korea to be a world leader in deaths by injury by a huge margin, apparently kids were dropping like flies. Oh, that's right, you have trouble with stats, too.
So, what's there left to show you? You're the kind of person who admits to seeing no problem leaving unmarked bottles of chemicals around little mischievous kids, and you're the type of person who would blame a senior citizen for falling on an invisible slick in a subway station. So, what can I possibly say except, thanks for coming out.
Later, when someone starts a thread on the growing problem of youth suicides here, and how the authorities would rather shy away from dealing with the problem, be sure to let us know that of course there really is no problem.
Gee, that just might be a child safety issue, too. But, I get it... to you, it does... not... compute. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| If all this was a big a deal as you say, there would be a dramatic difference in life expectancy between the US and Korea. There isn't. Clearly, it doesn't matter all that much. |
And this is where I stopped reading. What's clear, is that you don't know how to apply statistics. Enjoy the imaginary argument you created with yourself. |
What have you shown? A bunch of examples of moronic behavior leading you to conclude there is a problem. But if what you saw was such a problem, kids should be dropping like flies. |
Yeah, nothing that you can see Steelrails. Arguing with to you is like trying to reason with a robot.
It may not be clear to you that all those examples i listed are endemic. It may not matter to you that I started noticing most of them in my first year here, and that eleven years on they still happen. It may also not matter to you that those things are observed by many others here. But, what should matter is, according to the stats i posted earlier showing Korea to be a world leader in deaths by injury by a huge margin, apparently kids were dropping like flies. Oh, that's right, you have trouble with stats, too.
So, what's there left to show you? You're the kind of person who admits to seeing no problem leaving unmarked bottles of chemicals around little mischievous kids, and you're the type of person who would blame a senior citizen for falling on an invisible slick in a subway station. So, what can I possibly say except, thanks for coming out.
Later, when someone starts a thread on the growing problem of youth suicides here, and how the authorities would rather shy away from dealing with the problem, be sure to let us know that of course there really is no problem.
Gee, that just might be a child safety issue, too. But, I get it... to you, it does... not... compute. |
I don't think Steelrails actually condones leaving unmarked bottles of hazardous chemicals next to the fruit juice in the fridge or throwing water onto a freezing walkway that's next to an old people's home. To be sure a lot of people here feel strongly about the care of the young - we wouldn't be doing what we do otherwise - but we have different outlooks and come from vastly different perspectives.
I come from a background where we didn't have rear seat belts, let alone child seats, where it was considered okay to eat butter (before margarine, now butter is considered safe again  ), when getting a bit of sun was good for you, when as long as you were home before dark it didn't matter where you went, when we climbed trees, got into fist fights at school and there was no chance of a lawyer showing up.
Data from a Play England study in 2008 which showed that three times as many children went to hospital after falling out of bed, than after falling from trees.
"Authority figures and layers of bureaucracy have combined with a climate of 'don't do that' to create an environment where fewer and fewer children play in the outdoors," it says. "This has led to a situation where children playing out can even be painted as showing signs of anti-social behaviour."
The director-general of the National Trust, Fiona Reynolds, said: "Getting outdoors and closer to nature helps to keep children fit, they can learn about the world around them, and most of all its fun. Building a den, picking flowers, climbing trees � the outdoors is a treasure trove, rich in imagination. It brings huge benefits that we believe every child should have the opportunity to experience. And there are huge costs when they don't."
I've drunk diluted bleach thinking it was orange (in a school - crappy kitchen staff), been hit by a car, had stitches in my head a few times, crashed on my bike, got hit by a car when on my bike. I think it's adults who need more supervision  . I know, from previous experience, that rainfall after a dry spell means very slippery junctions where large trucks corner and that some drivers will turn towards where they're looking and not away from a hazard/pedestrian. The speed limits in town, the only place I'd walk, are low enough to ensure if I get hit by a vehicle it's unlikely to be fatal. Plus, I believe, the driver is automatically on the hook (here) for medical expenses for anyone they hit. That's good enough for me. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| If all this was a big a deal as you say, there would be a dramatic difference in life expectancy between the US and Korea. There isn't. Clearly, it doesn't matter all that much. |
And this is where I stopped reading. What's clear, is that you don't know how to apply statistics. Enjoy the imaginary argument you created with yourself. |
What have you shown? A bunch of examples of moronic behavior leading you to conclude there is a problem. But if what you saw was such a problem, kids should be dropping like flies. |
Yeah, nothing that you can see Steelrails. Arguing with to you is like trying to reason with a robot.
It may not be clear to you that all those examples i listed are endemic. It may not matter to you that I started noticing most of them in my first year here, and that eleven years on they still happen. It may also not matter to you that those things are observed by many others here. But, what should matter is, according to the stats i posted earlier showing Korea to be a world leader in deaths by injury by a huge margin, apparently kids were dropping like flies. Oh, that's right, you have trouble with stats, too.
So, what's there left to show you? You're the kind of person who admits to seeing no problem leaving unmarked bottles of chemicals around little mischievous kids, and you're the type of person who would blame a senior citizen for falling on an invisible slick in a subway station. So, what can I possibly say except, thanks for coming out.
Later, when someone starts a thread on the growing problem of youth suicides here, and how the authorities would rather shy away from dealing with the problem, be sure to let us know that of course there really is no problem.
Gee, that just might be a child safety issue, too. But, I get it... to you, it does... not... compute. |
I don't think Steelrails actually condones leaving unmarked bottles of hazardous chemicals next to the fruit juice in the fridge or throwing water onto a freezing walkway that's next to an old people's home. To be sure a lot of people here feel strongly about the care of the young - we wouldn't be doing what we do otherwise - but we have different outlooks and come from vastly different perspectives.
I come from a background where we didn't have rear seat belts, let alone child seats, where it was considered okay to eat butter (before margarine, now butter is considered safe again ), when getting a bit of sun was good for you, when as long as you were home before dark it didn't matter where you went, when we climbed trees, got into fist fights at school and there was no chance of a lawyer showing up.
Data from a Play England study in 2008 which showed that three times as many children went to hospital after falling out of bed, than after falling from trees.
"Authority figures and layers of bureaucracy have combined with a climate of 'don't do that' to create an environment where fewer and fewer children play in the outdoors," it says. "This has led to a situation where children playing out can even be painted as showing signs of anti-social behaviour."
The director-general of the National Trust, Fiona Reynolds, said: "Getting outdoors and closer to nature helps to keep children fit, they can learn about the world around them, and most of all its fun. Building a den, picking flowers, climbing trees � the outdoors is a treasure trove, rich in imagination. It brings huge benefits that we believe every child should have the opportunity to experience. And there are huge costs when they don't."
I've drunk diluted bleach thinking it was orange (in a school - crappy kitchen staff), been hit by a car, had stitches in my head a few times, crashed on my bike, got hit by a car when on my bike. I think it's adults who need more supervision . I know, from previous experience, that rainfall after a dry spell means very slippery junctions where large trucks corner and that some drivers will turn towards where they're looking and not away from a hazard/pedestrian. The speed limits in town, the only place I'd walk, are low enough to ensure if I get hit by a vehicle it's unlikely to be fatal. Plus, I believe, the driver is automatically on the hook for medical expenses for anyone they hit. That's good enough for me. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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This thread--what a coincidence.
My wife and I were just at her friends house today because her friend was giving us a crib and some other things for our baby. She has a 6 month old baby boy and she left him on her bed and then left the room to fetch some other things for us. I didn't think anything of it than BAM, like a sack of potatoes the baby falls off the bed onto the wooden floor and starts bawling. The baby had a red forehead and bled from his nose a little bit. I was in shock, I won't forget that sound--literally sounded like dropping a box or rocks on the floor from a 2 foot high.
WATCH YOUR FREAKIN KIDS AT ALL TIMES!
I understand it was an accident, but this is her second kid, hopefully I thought she knew better than to leave that baby for more than 2-3 minutes alone...ON THE EDGE OF A BED!
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oh, I almost forgot, then about a half hour later her 4 year old daughter had opened a bottle of powder soap and spilled it on the floor and was rolling around in it, licking it, while the mother was in the kitchen preparing some watermelon. I was putting the crib in the car when I came back up stairs and saw her.
This woman is the worst mother of the year in my eyes. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Data from a Play England study in 2008 which showed that three times as many children went to hospital after falling out of bed, than after falling from trees. |
Yes, children should be sleeping in trees. Great idea, I'm on it! |
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Squire
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Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: |
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I'm against common sense being legislated but totally agree with the sentiment of this thread. Kids not being told by their parents to wear seatbelts is so dangerous and makes me cringe every time I see it. I almost want the parents to learn their lesson by seeing their 3 or 4 year old kid go flying through the windscreen after a minor collision, as awful as that sounds. It's awful parenting
A couple of months ago I saw a grade 1 or 2 kid climbing out of the window of the English room (3rd floor). He climbed over a couple of bars that run parrallel alongside the window so that he was standing on a ledge of a few inches width with a potentially fatal drop behind him. I shouted at him to get back in and yelled at him not to come back to the English room during lunch time again. A moment later when I had composed myself I realised something should be done and went off to find my CT. She just laughed when I told her about it. I looked for the other English teacher who was more irritated about being woken up than concerned about finding the boy's homeroom teacher. Every member of staff I spoke to had a similar attitude. Does a kid have to die at my school for somebody to teach and enforce safetly standards? Pretty disheartening |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I've only taught at one school, but what I've found most frustrating is the way that nothing will be changed until something bad happens. There were multiple times that the foreign teachers brought up safety issues with our management, who on the whole were fairly receptive to most of our issues, but roundly ignored us in these instances. Then, when something actually happened to a child involving one of the safety concerns we had brought up, we would have to have a staff meeting about it and new policies would be out in place. Dumb. |
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bindairdundat
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
This thread--what a coincidence.
My wife and I were just at her friends house today because her friend was giving us a crib and some other things for our baby. She has a 6 month old baby boy and she left him on her bed and then left the room to fetch some other things for us. I didn't think anything of it than BAM, like a sack of potatoes the baby falls off the bed onto the wooden floor and starts bawling. The baby had a red forehead and bled from his nose a little bit. I was in shock, I won't forget that sound--literally sounded like dropping a box or rocks on the floor from a 2 foot high.
WATCH YOUR FREAKIN KIDS AT ALL TIMES!
I understand it was an accident, but this is her second kid, hopefully I thought she knew better than to leave that baby for more than 2-3 minutes alone...ON THE EDGE OF A BED!
Edit to add:
oh, I almost forgot, then about a half hour later her 4 year old daughter had opened a bottle of powder soap and spilled it on the floor and was rolling around in it, licking it, while the mother was in the kitchen preparing some watermelon. I was putting the crib in the car when I came back up stairs and saw her.
This woman is the worst mother of the year in my eyes. |
This reminds me of one time on a village bus - a mother had her baby wrapped up and hanging off her back (as Korean mothers do). She had stood up because her stop was coming up and the baby was kind of hanging loosely with his/her head lopped over to one side. As the bus driver braked/changed gears/turned corners this mother stumbled a bit to regain her footing and meanwhile the baby's head ricocheted off one of those posts that people hang on to. A few seconds later the baby's head swung to the opposite side and again bounced off another post. The baby went cross-eyed for a couple seconds. Ultimately the baby smacked it's head 3 or 4 times before the mother finally got off and she was no wiser that it even happened. The look on the baby's face was priceless.
If you ever have anything to do with skating or hockey here, you'll see the kids running around off ice with their skates on leaping over other children as they are on the floor putting their equipment on. I tried to explain to the parents that the kids essentially had knives on their feet, but of course I got nowhere. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Child safety types and their lawyer cohorts are like mice and cookies. Those people won't stop at reasonable precautions. Advocacy campaigns are one thing, but a stream of rules and regulations will have negative consequences that outweigh the good.
They do things like ban every fun activity under the sun and require stormtrooper armor for kids to do anything, then accuse parents of child neglect as their kid becomes obese from staying inside and playing video games of sports and adventures that used to be played outside using a ball or one's imagination. Kids used to play outside with Army Men. Now they play Army Men, the video game.
Instead of running around with banned airsoft guns because 1 kid out of 100,000 that played with them decided to shoot himself in the eye, kids now sit on the sofa playing Halo, leading to health problems and social maladjustment that probably causes more problems than 1 kid with an eyepatch. |
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Squire
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Child safety types and their lawyer cohorts are like mice and cookies. Those people won't stop at reasonable precautions. Advocacy campaigns are one thing, but a stream of rules and regulations will have negative consequences that outweigh the good.
They do things like ban every fun activity under the sun and require stormtrooper armor for kids to do anything, then accuse parents of child neglect as their kid becomes obese from staying inside and playing video games of sports and adventures that used to be played outside using a ball or one's imagination. Kids used to play outside with Army Men. Now they play Army Men, the video game.
Instead of running around with banned airsoft guns because 1 kid out of 100,000 that played with them decided to shoot himself in the eye, kids now sit on the sofa playing Halo, leading to health problems and social maladjustment that probably causes more problems than 1 kid with an eyepatch. |
It's sad that this has happened in the west, but I'm not sure many are calling for new legislation here. Just that parents and teachers open their eyes and exercise a bit of common sense now and then |
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crescent
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Child safety types and their lawyer cohorts are like mice and cookies. Those people won't stop at reasonable precautions. Advocacy campaigns are one thing, but a stream of rules and regulations will have negative consequences that outweigh the good.
They do things like ban every fun activity under the sun and require stormtrooper armor for kids to do anything, then accuse parents of child neglect as their kid becomes obese from staying inside and playing video games of sports and adventures that used to be played outside using a ball or one's imagination. Kids used to play outside with Army Men. Now they play Army Men, the video game.
Instead of running around with banned airsoft guns because 1 kid out of 100,000 that played with them decided to shoot himself in the eye, kids now sit on the sofa playing Halo, leading to health problems and social maladjustment that probably causes more problems than 1 kid with an eyepatch. |
It's time for the ol' Steerails switcheroo! Hey Steel.... can you count the flaws in this new argument of yours? On one glance, I counted three. You have a great imagination! Must be from playing with all the knives and chemicals when you were 6. |
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JustinC
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I dunno about Steelrails but, for me, personal attacks to back up a view I don't agree with just make me entrench. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow. There's a difference between sarcasm and a personal attack, just like theres a difference between exercising normal responsibility and becoming a protection nazi.. |
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