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madoka
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I would venture to say that American kids are more spoiled than Korean. Why? Because if a Korean parent were to physically discipline a kid in public, people would hardly notice. In America, people would be calling Child Services. I've talked to several teachers in the US where I was shocked over what they had to put up with. Kids threatening them with false accusations of child molestation if they don't get their way. Kids throwing desks and chairs at them with no repercussions. Kids threatening to burn down their homes. Kids making a game of getting them to cry and recording it with their cameras. The most common problem Korea has in comparison is dongchiming.
With that said, China has got to be the worst. The fact that there is a term for how spoiled their children are (Little Emperor Syndrome) says it all. |
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catman
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| Korean kids are less likely to stab you. |
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luckylady
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Korean kids are less likely to stab you. |
or blow away their classmates and teachers with an ak47 |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Korean kids are less likely to stab you. |
That has nothing to do with being spoiled or not. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
I would venture to say that American kids are more spoiled than Korean. Why? Because if a Korean parent were to physically discipline a kid in public, people would hardly notice. In America, people would be calling Child Services. I've talked to several teachers in the US where I was shocked over what they had to put up with. Kids threatening them with false accusations of child molestation if they don't get their way. Kids throwing desks and chairs at them with no repercussions. Kids threatening to burn down their homes. Kids making a game of getting them to cry and recording it with their cameras. The most common problem Korea has in comparison is dongchiming.
With that said, China has got to be the worst. The fact that there is a term for how spoiled their children are (Little Emperor Syndrome) says it all. |
Lies lies lies. Korean parents would think the other Korean parents were actually BAD if they saw them spanking their child for racing across a busy intersection. I asked my wife just a few days ago and asked her if I yelled at my kid for running around at a restaurant would her friends think I was a bad parent. And her exact words were, "Yeah. maybe." And the other stuff you mentioned about false accusations etc., that has nothing to do with being spoiled, that has to do with wicked little souls, nothing else.
Spoiled means not reprimanding your kids for bad behavior and letting them do what they want--at least that is the spirit of my OP. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Korean kids are less likely to stab you. |
That actually happened when I was in highschool. A kid in the neighboring school stabbed another kid because of some fight they had. Of course they were also the "gang" fights among rival schools, some kids bringing knives to school "in case," upperclass men kicking lower classmen in the head just for kicks (pun intended), etc. Maybe things are different now, but going to school in Korea was a scary experience for me. I never felt that in the States. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| Korean kids are less likely to stab you. |
That actually happened when I was in highschool. A kid in the neighboring school stabbed another kid because of some fight they had. Of course they were also the "gang" fights among rival schools, some kids bringing knives to school "in case," upperclass men kicking lower classmen in the head just for kicks (pun intended), etc. Maybe things are different now, but going to school in Korea was a scary experience for me. I never felt that in the States. |
lol wow, I can't believe I almost forgot about this! I was at my hagwon for 6 months when a disgruntled Korean girl stabbed me in the leg with her pencil and drew blood because I came "near" her desk. They can get pretty darn violent and watching the girls slap (very hard) the boys in the hallways....they ARE violent--but then again, it comes from the parenting at home where anything goes and the word "No!" is barely heard. Yea they don't bring guns to school (because there are none compared to America) but they are violent in their own right. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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lol wow, I can't believe I almost forgot about this! I was at my hagwon for 6 months when a disgruntled Korean girl stabbed me in the leg with her pencil and drew blood because I came "near" her desk. They can get pretty darn violent and watching the girls slap (very hard) the boys in the hallways....they ARE violent--but then again, it comes from the parenting at home where anything goes and the word "No!" is barely heard. Yea they don't bring guns to school (because there are none compared to America) but they are violent in their own right. |
You're right. Better stabbed with a pencil than shoot to death.
http://www.bvblackspin.com/2011/01/07/teen-shooter-robert-butler-jr-was-suspended-the-morning-of-the/
When 17-year-old Robert Butler killed Vice-Principal Vicki Kaspar, and critically wounded Principal Curtis Case, his motive was unclear.
Police have since discovered that he was suspended from school that morning, after driving his car on the school's football field and track New Year's Day.
Yes, a woman was murdered in cold blood for suspending an errant student. After calmly accepting the suspension, the troubled teen went home to speak with his father and friends. Waiting until his father, a detective with the Omaha Police Department, left home, Butler stole his father's service weapon, a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol, from the closet and returned to the school to exact revenge. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Going to go out on a limb here and throw out that "Koreans" and "Less likely to go on gun toting rampage" might not be the best claim to make, given some high profile cases.. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Going to go out on a limb here and throw out that "Koreans" and "Less likely to go on gun toting rampage" might not be the best claim to make, given some high profile cases.. |
Koreans in Korea? |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Going to go out on a limb here and throw out that "Koreans" and "Less likely to go on gun toting rampage" might not be the best claim to make, given some high profile cases.. |
One L. Goh is an American citizen and Seung Hui Cho was a U.S. permanent resident. |
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shapeshifter
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Location: Paris
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:06 am Post subject: Re: American Kids Most Spoiled in the World? Really? |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/easy-answer-why-american-kids-34-spoiled-rotten-192300981.html
..."contemporary American kids may represent the most indulged young people in the history of the world."...
Perhaps they should take a trip to Korea and compare those "indulged" American kids to Korean kids. They'd get a run for their money. |
Just by the sheer number of academies kids here are often forced to go to, I doubt Korea is anywhere near #1. Don't mistake inexterienced ESL teachers being unable to control a room of misbehaving Korean kids with them being overindulged. I would hate to grow up in this society. |
I wasn't mistaking that. I think you missed the point. I was speaking about the kids I see on the street screaming and throwing a temper tantrum making their parents look like complete tools. I'm talking about the kids' obvious manipulation to get what they want when they want. And seeing the parents oblige to their every whimsical desire 9.9 times out of 10. Korean parent's can't say no to their kids. You've seen it or you willfully choose to ignore it. |
Just out of curiosity, are you a native English speaker? What do you think the words 'oblige' and 'whimsical' mean? You write like a precocious 7 year old.
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
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lol wow, I can't believe I almost forgot about this! I was at my hagwon for 6 months when a disgruntled Korean girl stabbed me in the leg with her pencil and drew blood because I came "near" her desk. They can get pretty darn violent and watching the girls slap (very hard) the boys in the hallways....they ARE violent--but then again, it comes from the parenting at home where anything goes and the word "No!" is barely heard. Yea they don't bring guns to school (because there are none compared to America) but they are violent in their own right. |
You're right. Better stabbed with a pencil than shoot to death.
http://www.bvblackspin.com/2011/01/07/teen-shooter-robert-butler-jr-was-suspended-the-morning-of-the/
When 17-year-old Robert Butler killed Vice-Principal Vicki Kaspar, and critically wounded Principal Curtis Case, his motive was unclear.
Police have since discovered that he was suspended from school that morning, after driving his car on the school's football field and track New Year's Day.
Yes, a woman was murdered in cold blood for suspending an errant student. After calmly accepting the suspension, the troubled teen went home to speak with his father and friends. Waiting until his father, a detective with the Omaha Police Department, left home, Butler stole his father's service weapon, a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol, from the closet and returned to the school to exact revenge. |
You're missing the point...again. How does your example relate to being spoiled or not? |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:16 am Post subject: Re: American Kids Most Spoiled in the World? Really? |
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| shapeshifter wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/easy-answer-why-american-kids-34-spoiled-rotten-192300981.html
..."contemporary American kids may represent the most indulged young people in the history of the world."...
Perhaps they should take a trip to Korea and compare those "indulged" American kids to Korean kids. They'd get a run for their money. |
Just by the sheer number of academies kids here are often forced to go to, I doubt Korea is anywhere near #1. Don't mistake inexterienced ESL teachers being unable to control a room of misbehaving Korean kids with them being overindulged. I would hate to grow up in this society. |
I wasn't mistaking that. I think you missed the point. I was speaking about the kids I see on the street screaming and throwing a temper tantrum making their parents look like complete tools. I'm talking about the kids' obvious manipulation to get what they want when they want. And seeing the parents oblige to their every whimsical desire 9.9 times out of 10. Korean parent's can't say no to their kids. You've seen it or you willfully choose to ignore it. |
Just out of curiosity, are you a native English speaker? What do you think the words 'oblige' and 'whimsical' mean? You write like a precocious 7 year old.
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If I write like I'm 7, let me guess about you: an over 35 years old back packer loser, fat and/or ugly and couldn't fit into society back home so had to set out on his own to far off countries to score a wife. Am I about right? At least that's what I imagine for every poster with a cheesy avatar and been a member of Dave's 2005 and earlier. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
You're missing the point...again. How does your example relate to being spoiled or not? |
It doesn't... violence and being spoiled can go hand-in-hand, but the violent kids at my hagwons usually came from uncaring and/or abusive parents... although, the spoiled kids do hit a lot here and fights go unpunished, so I guess that can be seen as being undisciplined/spoiled |
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