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rayne



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: GEPIK: How long does it usually take? Reply with quote

I've been in contact with recruiters since April but I still haven't gotten an interview with any schools yet. Some of my recruiters say that schools don't hire until about a month before the start date, but is that true? I am hoping to arrive in late August/early September.
Do I seriously have to wait until early August to start the interview process?
Even if I get interviews, there's no guarantee that I will get job offers so this makes me even more worried.


I'm getting extremely anxious and I am considering to cave in and be open to hagwons since there's only two months until September. But all my research has been devoted to GEPIK/public schools and I have no idea how to be alert for reputable hagwons.

Someone please quell my fears.
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missty



Joined: 19 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

April is too early for GEPIK. I have been applying for a month and only now am I getting more schools contacting me. One school pushed the interview back to the start of August, which is annoying as I want to have a plan ready by then.

But I have had interviews for schools and one job offer already, so maybe your search is too narrow? Are you open to many places in Gyeonggi-do? I've widened my search beyond my preferred area and found more options. Also, I have been told that GEPIK schools aren't getting much funding, so if you are really qualified (like me) then you may need to lower your expectations for the pay scale in order to find something you like.
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rayne



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

missty wrote:
April is too early for GEPIK. I have been applying for a month and only now am I getting more schools contacting me. One school pushed the interview back to the start of August, which is annoying as I want to have a plan ready by then.

But I have had interviews for schools and one job offer already, so maybe your search is too narrow? Are you open to many places in Gyeonggi-do? I've widened my search beyond my preferred area and found more options. Also, I have been told that GEPIK schools aren't getting much funding, so if you are really qualified (like me) then you may need to lower your expectations for the pay scale in order to find something you like.


I am open to any place in Gyeonggi-do but I prefer to be near the border of Seoul (most of my friends live around that area).

I am VERY, VERY flexible and all of my recruiters know this. I am flexible on the location, pay scale, age level, etc.

I haven't received any negative feedback from any recruiters yet regarding my application/resume/etc. Most of them seem to be quite happy with me because I have been to Korea before (not for work-related purposes, though) so they know that I have a good understanding of Korean culture/food/etc. I've passed those short little phone/Skype interviews with my recruiters with flying colours. They mostly asked me questions related to Korean culture and food because that's what most foreigners have the most frustrations with and they were happy with my answers.

May I ask which recruiter(s) you are using?
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missty



Joined: 19 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I don't know then. Are you in Korea now? As most places want me to travel for an in-person interview. Also, the places closest to Seoul are obviously the most competitive, and my job offer currently is in Suwon a little further south. I too am still holding out for a better location though.

I am using a couple of recruiters but Korvia have been the best so far. They reply to my emails really fast and seem to be working really hard to secure me a good job. I would definitely check them out if you haven't already. WorknPlay are also helping me out along with a couple of other smaller recruiters. I'm sure you'll find something soon, as its only in the past week that I have had a lot more interest from schools in and out of GEPIK.
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rayne



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

missty wrote:
Hmm, I don't know then. Are you in Korea now? As most places want me to travel for an in-person interview. Also, the places closest to Seoul are obviously the most competitive, and my job offer currently is in Suwon a little further south. I too am still holding out for a better location though.

I am using a couple of recruiters but Korvia have been the best so far. They reply to my emails really fast and seem to be working really hard to secure me a good job. I would definitely check them out if you haven't already. WorknPlay are also helping me out along with a couple of other smaller recruiters. I'm sure you'll find something soon, as its only in the past week that I have had a lot more interest from schools in and out of GEPIK.


No, I'm not in Korea now. I noticed that being in Korea would be a huge benefit because I had a couple of interview requests, but the start date was in 2 weeks. That was way too short notice for me.

I would be totally happy with Suwon. I think my limit would be past Yongin, but right now I'm okay with any place since I'm completely stressing out.

Unfortunately, I had a terrible experience with Korvia. They pretty much used the bait-and-switch technique with me. At first, they were very nice, polite, etc., etc., but as soon as they got all my documents and stuff they started ignoring me. Then, they suddenly said that jobs were very competitive and I should be open to hagwons (which I wasn't, at the time) even though they had new jobs up every other day (at that time). I think they ignored me for a long time and then brought up hagwons just so I would get worried and accept the first hagwon job they offered. I basically said that I am currently very intent on getting a public school job and I kept asking them to submit my resume and stuff and I will consider hagwons if the time comes. I guess they got the point that I was not interested in hagwons whatsoever and have now ceased all communication with me. I don't think they ever submitted my resume to anyone at all. They are still updating their job board with new GEPIK jobs, so they were obviously lying to me and they want me to go with a hagwon for whatever reason.
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missty



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks you had a bad experience with Korvia, I guess it might just be the luck of the draw who you get as your recruiter? Either way, don't give up! When I applied a month or so ago they also told me I was too early and that positions only start opening up in about July time. Maybe go and find some new recruiters too, as it could just be that the people you're talking to don't have any positions available but others will. As soon as I started contacting more than one recruiter my stress levels dropped and I had a lot more options.
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rayne



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

missty wrote:
That sucks you had a bad experience with Korvia, I guess it might just be the luck of the draw who you get as your recruiter? Either way, don't give up! When I applied a month or so ago they also told me I was too early and that positions only start opening up in about July time. Maybe go and find some new recruiters too, as it could just be that the people you're talking to don't have any positions available but others will. As soon as I started contacting more than one recruiter my stress levels dropped and I had a lot more options.


I contacted over 20 recruiters. A little more than half replied and only half of that are good ones that I am still in contact with. Most of them were considerably polite but then kind of just stopped communicating with me after a while with no apparent reason. Another factor of why I am getting more and more stressed out.

The only terrible recruiter I have encountered is EZ English. They were AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. I think there were 2 others that were bad but I don't have my list at the moment.
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N2Bubble



Joined: 11 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in the exact situation as you, rayne.

I looked into GEPIK beginning of May and went through the initial phone interview and all that jazz. The recruiter from Korvia said that positions don't really open up until June, but to get all my documents together. When I finally sent them all to her with the vid, she disappeared on me for about a week, and then started to suggest hagwons when I explicitly told her I'd like a public school. Right before that she also asked if I wanted to apply to rural areas because 'as a fresh-graduate', it's really competitive.

I'd also like to go this fall, and be around the south border of Seoul cause I have a friend that lives near Anyang. I'm a female asian that was born in Canada, and I also think that's a factor, but I also haven't received any negative feedback about my application, the only downfall being a 'fresh-grad'.

Does anyone have any other suggestions? I've only worked with Korvia because I thought that with PS, if they get your document more than once from different recruiters, you're automatically disqualified.
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rayne



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N2Bubble wrote:
I am in the exact situation as you, rayne.

I looked into GEPIK beginning of May and went through the initial phone interview and all that jazz. The recruiter from Korvia said that positions don't really open up until June, but to get all my documents together. When I finally sent them all to her with the vid, she disappeared on me for about a week, and then started to suggest hagwons when I explicitly told her I'd like a public school. Right before that she also asked if I wanted to apply to rural areas because 'as a fresh-graduate', it's really competitive.

I'd also like to go this fall, and be around the south border of Seoul cause I have a friend that lives near Anyang. I'm a female asian that was born in Canada, and I also think that's a factor, but I also haven't received any negative feedback about my application, the only downfall being a 'fresh-grad'.

Does anyone have any other suggestions? I've only worked with Korvia because I thought that with PS, if they get your document more than once from different recruiters, you're automatically disqualified.


Woah. Are we the same person???? That is LITERALLY my exact situation. Everything was fine and dandy and my recruiter was the nicest person ever. Right after I sent in my video, BAM. Disappeared for a week or two.
She then reappears and makes a lame excuse about never getting my emails (all lies because I get those automatic confirmation emails from here which i would absolutely not get if my emails did not reach her inbox) and then suggests hagwons. I said i am intent on public school at the moment but will consider hagwons. I asked her to please keep trying to find me a public school job and we can discuss hagwons if it comes to it.
Later on, when I asked for an update because the facebook page kept updating with jobs that I REALLY want, she kind of ignores me and talks about hagwons again.
I think she never sent my resume to any schools because whenever I ask about it, she would skirt around the issue.
What she did was a classic bait-and-switch technique.
Step 1: Appears nice and encouraging, which caused you to trust her.
Step 2: Ignore you for a significant amount of time until she sees that you are starting to stress and freak out.
Step 3: Finally acknowledges your existence but starts pointing out your flaws while still acting "nice".
Step 4: Suggests something completed different from what you want (ie. Hagwons) and, since you are stressed and anxious for a job, you immediately accept it.

I don't see a single hagwon job posting on their website or facebook page but she keeps talking about hagwon positions and ignoring my inquiries about the public school job openings. Crazy!
People who are actually IN Korea seem to be getting the jobs because they have the basic know-how but new comers are being tricked into hagwons because recruiters assume that we don't know any better.

I am also an Asian female from Canada! And my recruiter was VERY happy with my resume/qualifications because although I am also a "fresh grad" I have teaching experience with practically all age groups (except senior citizens).

I wouldn't be surprised if we have the same recruiter... May I ask which one you were working with?

For GEPIK, you can work with more than one recruiter. I emailed a GEPIK coordinator and he confirmed this. On Korvia's application, it says that if you work with more than one recruiter you will be automatically disqualified. This is not true for GEPIK.

I can't help but be EXTREMELY disappointed in Korvia because I heard such good things about them. I looked for reviews about them and they all seemed good.
After this experienced I looked more deeply and they do have quite a fair amount of negative reviews. I wish I saw those negative ones earlier so because I wasted so much time with them. I originally JUST worked with Korvia but afterwards, I quickly reached out to more.
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ttompatz



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Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are in Korea then why are you even bothering with a recruiter for a GEPIK job.

Go to the policy division at the GPOE office (Suwon-si, Jowon-dong) and drop off a completed application. Unless there is something seriously wrong with your application you will be hired in the next intake. (catch a 4-1 bus northbound from Namun to Haniltown and you will drive right by it.)

As an alternative, bang on a few doors. It isn't that hard to drop of a bilingual cover letter and resume at the Principal's office of a few schools in the area you want to work in.

10 resumes and you will get an interview. 25 and you will get a job. If you work in a PS in Gyeonggi you will be under the GPOE and have a bog-standard GEPIK contract.

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rayne



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
If you are in Korea then why are you even bothering with a recruiter for a GEPIK job.

Go to the policy division at the GPOE office (Suwon-si, Jowon-dong) and drop off a completed application. Unless there is something seriously wrong with your application you will be hired in the next intake. (catch a 4-1 bus northbound from Namun to Haniltown and you will drive right by it.)

As an alternative, bang on a few doors. It isn't that hard to drop of a bilingual cover letter and resume at the Principal's office of a few schools in the area you want to work in.

10 resumes and you will get an interview. 25 and you will get a job. If you work in a PS in Gyeonggi you will be under the GPOE and have a bog-standard GEPIK contract.

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I am not in Korea, so I am unable to do that. This advice would be very helpful if I were in Korea, though.

This may be a stretch but is there any way I can find out if a school has a job opening? Would it be on their website? Is there a place where I can find the name/website/contact information of every public school in Gyeonggi-do so I can email them with my resume and whatnot?
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mayorgc



Joined: 19 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was an asian male who was offered a really rural public school. I kept contacting different recruiters and eventually, I landed in Anyang.

Just keep trying different people.

But maybe the landscape is different now compared to when I applied. Maybe you have to take what you can get.
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N2Bubble



Joined: 11 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mayorgc wrote:
I was an asian male...

You were? Aren't you still? lol I kid. How long ago was it?

And rayne, are situatioms are really similar. My recruiter's name is Ciena but after my multiple emails, she just said that she already sent my application and is just waiting to hear back, and that it's really competitive. I don't think that's a complete lie, but she's probably holding back info. I've seen those GEPIK job ads too, I just haven't asked her about it.

What other recruiters have you talked to? Any luck?

And any advice from those more knowledgable?
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rayne



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N2Bubble wrote:
mayorgc wrote:
I was an asian male...

You were? Aren't you still? lol I kid. How long ago was it?

And rayne, are situatioms are really similar. My recruiter's name is Ciena but after my multiple emails, she just said that she already sent my application and is just waiting to hear back, and that it's really competitive. I don't think that's a complete lie, but she's probably holding back info. I've seen those GEPIK job ads too, I just haven't asked her about it.

What other recruiters have you talked to? Any luck?

And any advice from those more knowledgable?


We don't have the same recruiter from Korvia. I guess they're all like that, then!!! My recruiter even told me to go find other recruiters (which is hilarious because they stated that I should only work with one recruiter at the beginning, which I long ago knew was a lie). So it's their way of saying "leave me alone, I don't want to work with you anymore".

I've asked her about the job openings on the website and she said some things that may no be lies (they want experienced teachers) and some things that are lies (they want people with their own apartment already). none of the excuses she mentioned is posted anywhere in the job information/descriptions.

I've talked to about 20 recruiters. I'll probably make a thread review all of them later on, if I actually get a job. Almost all were nice at first, but after a month or two you see their true colours quickly. Please note that I'm an extremely polite person and my emails always exhibit this. Most of them turned ugly after a while. There was one recruiter who was terrible all the way through - EZ English. Awful! I'm glad I have stopped all communication with them. If you'd like my list and a short review you can PM me, but you may be disappointed because most recruiters are pretty awful.

I'm seriously considering hagwon now, ugh. I would actually even fly over to Korea and do what ttompaz suggested if I didn't have to do a visa run after.
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shostahoosier



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my placement through Korvia for the Fall 2009 intake, which was pretty much around the time that it started to get more competitive to get hired in Korea.

Korvia managed to get me an interview at a huge school in Ansan right away but apparently I wasn't what the school wanted. Korvia did eventually place me at a very rural school on the edge of Gyeonggi which I love but it was done so last minute, I almost think they wouldn't have bothered to place me had this school not needed someone.

I basically found out about my school the 1st week of August. This was terrifying for me because that was almost 3 weeks from when I had last heard from anyone at Korvia. I know from your side it sucks because you need to know if you'll be leaving in September, but I think for a lot of people, things tend to be close.

They definitely never offered me a hagwon gig anywhere.

Have you tried skyping the recruiter or maybe trying to speak with someone in the Korean office (pretty much all of their staff here speaks English)?

I have met some of the Korvia people (staff) in Korea and I thought they were cool. I used to text one of the directors whenever I had questions and he would respond even though I wasnt applying for a new job. (No, I dont have his number anymore, sorry).

You should realize though that at the end of the day, being a recruiter is a business and they're not really your friends. They're busy this time of year but disappearing hardly seems acceptable to me. I wouldn't pester them, but I wouldn't let them forget that you're out there either.

Also to the gyopo male, I have a gyopo male friend here in Korea who was placed in one of the nicer planned cities just outside of Seoul. The school specifically requested a male gyopo, so there's always a chance. If you're "ethnic" (I'm African-American) a lot of times it boils down to how the last teacher performed. A lot of schools will request a particular demographic (for instance, South African female) because they had a pleasant experience with the last teacher and dont want to bother with change. Korea right? Laughing

Good luck!
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