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pegasus64128
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 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject: Higgs boson 99.99% likely to exist |
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Not sure if anyone really cares about this on here, especially seeing as it doesn't really change your life but Scientists have potentially found the force, the aether, the stuff that binds the universe together. It has implications for the existence of antimatter, and understanding space time and the origin of the universe and big bang etc. It's dubbed the 'God particle' by many for this reason.
What is it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIg1Vh7uPyw
How the Scientists feel about the discovery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-doU2Ojtmo
Those who are not into the idea of there being a God particle call it the 'Light of Lucifer'.
Another good day for the Standard Model.
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Privateer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Where is this discovery going to lead? Splitting the atom led to atom bombs and atomic energy. Now they spend billions on a never-ending chase for phantom particles that disappear up themselves, and for what? |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Or are they going to be able to tap into the universal energy field now? |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| The question on many minds is "Will it lead to flying cars and hoverboards by the year 2015?". |
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comm
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| Where is this discovery going to lead? Splitting the atom led to atom bombs and atomic energy. Now they spend billions on a never-ending chase for phantom particles that disappear up themselves, and for what? |
It's easy to start from today and work backwards, to say that we have nuclear power thanks to the theoretical physics of the 30's and 40's... But they didn't know how/if there would be a practical application for their science at the time. Similarly, current work to understand gravity (which is much more interesting, imo) could lead to technology of equal or perhaps far greater importance for humanity. |
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schwa
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Physics confounds me & intrigues me.
OP's links led me to find this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4-wVzjnQRI&feature=related
A well-spent hour watching a beautifully produced & informative BBC piece on what the whole CERN thing is up to.
A nice lead-up to today's news. |
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pegasus64128
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
| Privateer wrote: |
| Where is this discovery going to lead? Splitting the atom led to atom bombs and atomic energy. Now they spend billions on a never-ending chase for phantom particles that disappear up themselves, and for what? |
It's easy to start from today and work backwards, to say that we have nuclear power thanks to the theoretical physics of the 30's and 40's... But they didn't know how/if there would be a practical application for their science at the time. Similarly, current work to understand gravity (which is much more interesting, imo) could lead to technology of equal or perhaps far greater importance for humanity. |
That's right comm. I truly believe some revolutionary form of propulsion will eventually come out of this and other fields. Understanding the fabric of space-time and dimensionality will be key but that's a long long way off. Alas.
I also believe a spiritual renaissance will inevitably lead form this as we delve deeper into Science and find more and more seemingly 'intelligent design'. Many of our greatest Scientists were very spiritual people that saw a connection between Philosophy and Science - most of the greats actually, including Einstein, and Tesla. Newton in a big way too. How could you not be when you learn the things Newton did about Optics for example, or the things Einstein and Schrodinger learned about quantum theory. The Physics of the natural world is enlightening.
Thanks for the documentary link schwa. I'll be sure to watch. |
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NilesQ
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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What's the God particle made of? That's what this enquiring mind wants to know!
Very cool work they're doing. Which makes me wonder why humankind can isolate the matter that electrons are composed of, but we cant/wont get more efficient vehicles on the road and we still war over what we think God's name is/who his prophet was!
When the aliens come, they are gonna think we're retarded! Or they might just kill us for drawing pictures of their prophet. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist |
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| pegasus64128 wrote: |
It's dubbed the 'God particle' by many for this reason.
Those who are not into the idea of there being a God particle call it the 'Light of Lucifer'. |
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| I also believe a spiritual renaissance will inevitably lead form this as we delve deeper into Science and find more and more seemingly 'intelligent design'. |
Perhaps it would be just as easy, and much less insulting, to leave the whole God and religious references out of this altogether...yes? |
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comm
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
| When the aliens come, they are gonna think we're retarded! Or they might just kill us for drawing pictures of their prophet. |
Those episodes of Alf were made with complete reverence, I swear! |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I'd like to have a strong word with the guy who dubbed it the "God" particle. Even if it is an accurate descriptor, such loaded terms do nothing but create misunderstanding and draw the anti-science crowd out like flies to cow flaps.
It's only called the "God" particle because apparently the field it creates affects everything (except for light, which doesn't interact with it at all.) Yes, this has philosophical implications. No, it does not prove the existence of a god.
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| ... the things Einstein and Schrodinger learned about quantum theory. |
Einstein was actively hostile towards quantum mechanics. He had some rippin' debates with Bohr over the subject. Einstein's oeuvre was relativity. |
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pegasus64128
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
Personally, I'd like to have a strong word with the guy who dubbed it the "God" particle. Even if it is an accurate descriptor, such loaded terms do nothing but create misunderstanding and draw the anti-science crowd out like flies to cow flaps.
It's only called the "God" particle because apparently the field it creates affects everything (except for light, which doesn't interact with it at all.) Yes, this has philosophical implications. No, it does not prove the existence of a god.
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| ... the things Einstein and Schrodinger learned about quantum theory. |
Einstein was actively hostile towards quantum mechanics. He had some rippin' debates with Bohr over the subject. Einstein's oeuvre was relativity. |
He wasn't "hostile" towards quantum mechanics. In fact, his work on the photoelectric effect was very important to the development of quantum theory. He was no more hostile than anyone else and everyone has some discontent with quantum theory not just because it doesn't agree with general relativity but because it's so counter-intuitive to the way humans think. Cause and effect go out the window with quantum mechanics. Feynman was another great physicist who was irked by quantum theory. Really, they all were and are, because we're at our infancy in understanding it - certainly when it comes to quantum entanglement. |
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fosterman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| what a waste of money |
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yodanole
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| It will help us to destroy the Death Star. |
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wishfullthinkng
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
Personally, I'd like to have a strong word with the guy who dubbed it the "God" particle. Even if it is an accurate descriptor, such loaded terms do nothing but create misunderstanding and draw the anti-science crowd out like flies to cow flaps.
It's only called the "God" particle because apparently the field it creates affects everything (except for light, which doesn't interact with it at all.) Yes, this has philosophical implications. No, it does not prove the existence of a god.
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| ... the things Einstein and Schrodinger learned about quantum theory. |
Einstein was actively hostile towards quantum mechanics. He had some rippin' debates with Bohr over the subject. Einstein's oeuvre was relativity. |
fun fact: he actually originally wanted to call it the "goddamn particle" because of its particularly difficult nature to find and the expense that it's taken to find it.
the person who asked what the higgs boson is made out of well, itself, a particle. it's a fundamental building block of matter, so far theorized to be the particle that gives all things mass.
someone else mentioned that it could revolutionize propulsion which would most certainly be a great application for it. if we ever got to a point where we could control the higgs boson at will we could also theoretically create black holes and harness anti-matter.
imagine a machine where you could put in a chunk of lead and a flake of gold, strip all the mass from the lead and apply it to the gold. |
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