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fermentation
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
someone else mentioned that it could revolutionize propulsion which would most certainly be a great application for it. if we ever got to a point where we could control the higgs boson at will we could also theoretically create black holes and harness anti-matter.
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Hells yeah. Space colonization might come sooner than I thought.
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| what a waste of money |
Lol. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
someone else mentioned that it could revolutionize propulsion which would most certainly be a great application for it. if we ever got to a point where we could control the higgs boson at will we could also theoretically create black holes and harness anti-matter.
imagine a machine where you could put in a chunk of lead and a flake of gold, strip all the mass from the lead and apply it to the gold. |
I'm curious what your background in physics is...
but anyways... propulsion, yeah, maybe, I guess if we could control the higgs field we could reduce the effective mass of an object making it easier (ie reduce the energy required) to accelerate it.
creating blackholes, probably wouldn't be a good idea. (at least it wasn't in that one episdoe of Eureka)
not sure how changing mass would make anti-matter any easier to "harness." it's pretty volatile stuff in a matter filled environment.
your lead-gold application seems pretty pointless, okay sure you've made gold heavy, but what's the purpose? it's not like you've made more gold, you've just increased it's gravitational potential.
The most direct application of a full understanding of the Higgs Boson would be artificial gravity. Then all the martial artists of the world could train in 100 times gravity just like Goku did on his way to Namek, provided it didn't squash them like bugs...  |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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A Higgs Boson enters a church:
Priest: "We don't allow Higgs Bosons here, blasphemy!"
Higgs Boson: "But without me how can you have mass?"
*b'dum tish* |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| crisdean wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
someone else mentioned that it could revolutionize propulsion which would most certainly be a great application for it. if we ever got to a point where we could control the higgs boson at will we could also theoretically create black holes and harness anti-matter.
imagine a machine where you could put in a chunk of lead and a flake of gold, strip all the mass from the lead and apply it to the gold. |
I'm curious what your background in physics is...
but anyways... propulsion, yeah, maybe, I guess if we could control the higgs field we could reduce the effective mass of an object making it easier (ie reduce the energy required) to accelerate it.
creating blackholes, probably wouldn't be a good idea. (at least it wasn't in that one episdoe of Eureka)
not sure how changing mass would make anti-matter any easier to "harness." it's pretty volatile stuff in a matter filled environment.
your lead-gold application seems pretty pointless, okay sure you've made gold heavy, but what's the purpose? it's not like you've made more gold, you've just increased it's gravitational potential.
The most direct application of a full understanding of the Higgs Boson would be artificial gravity. Then all the martial artists of the world could train in 100 times gravity just like Goku did on his way to Namek, provided it didn't squash them like bugs... |
oh my background in physics is junior grade nerd stuff. i keep active in it and spend time researching it, but i have no formal training in it. some of what i say could be wrong or off-base as you noted on my gold example. 
as for the propulsion idea, the higgs field and higgs boson particles are two different things. what i would assume a higgs boson based propulsion system would do is place large amounts of mass in a concentrated area in FRONT of a vehicle, thus creating a gravitational pull in the direction the craft needs to go. |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| pegasus64128 wrote: |
It's dubbed the 'God particle' by many for this reason.
Those who are not into the idea of there being a God particle call it the 'Light of Lucifer'. |
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| I also believe a spiritual renaissance will inevitably lead form this as we delve deeper into Science and find more and more seemingly 'intelligent design'. |
Perhaps it would be just as easy, and much less insulting, to leave the whole God and religious references out of this altogether...yes? |
It was dubbed the God particle by the Scientists involved. If you have a problem with that, why don't you pit your Scientific credibility against theirs. Good luck with that.
BTW, I don't think they imagine a bearded man, a gender, or even a solitary being every time they hear the word 'God', unlike some of us here! |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| what a waste of money |
+1
I thought they called it the "God particle" because it was supposedly the last link to proving the big bang theory (thus making science "god" rather than religion)... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| It will help us to destroy the Death Star. |
You rebel scum.
With this particle, we can build our own Death Star and take back the streets from those Religious-dogmatic-elitists and their clone and native population exploiting lackeys. |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| crisdean wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
someone else mentioned that it could revolutionize propulsion which would most certainly be a great application for it. if we ever got to a point where we could control the higgs boson at will we could also theoretically create black holes and harness anti-matter.
imagine a machine where you could put in a chunk of lead and a flake of gold, strip all the mass from the lead and apply it to the gold. |
I'm curious what your background in physics is...
but anyways... propulsion, yeah, maybe, I guess if we could control the higgs field we could reduce the effective mass of an object making it easier (ie reduce the energy required) to accelerate it.
creating blackholes, probably wouldn't be a good idea. (at least it wasn't in that one episdoe of Eureka)
not sure how changing mass would make anti-matter any easier to "harness." it's pretty volatile stuff in a matter filled environment.
your lead-gold application seems pretty pointless, okay sure you've made gold heavy, but what's the purpose? it's not like you've made more gold, you've just increased it's gravitational potential.
The most direct application of a full understanding of the Higgs Boson would be artificial gravity. Then all the martial artists of the world could train in 100 times gravity just like Goku did on his way to Namek, provided it didn't squash them like bugs... |
oh my background in physics is junior grade nerd stuff. i keep active in it and spend time researching it, but i have no formal training in it. some of what i say could be wrong or off-base as you noted on my gold example.
as for the propulsion idea, the higgs field and higgs boson particles are two different things. what i would assume a higgs boson based propulsion system would do is place large amounts of mass in a concentrated area in FRONT of a vehicle, thus creating a gravitational pull in the direction the craft needs to go. |
It's fun to speculate on what a future technology based on this would look like. Given that photons of light are not effected by the boson field, I imagine some type of engine that generates a water-tight (or boson-tight) light/photonic field of some kind around the hull of a ship so that the ship would resist the field in the same way light does. Or maybe some kind of particles could be emitted that have similar properties to photons and so have no mass / interaction with the Higgs field but don't emit light. But then you'd have to wonder - could a ship work if it's inside contains Higgs bosons (it's own internal Higgs field) but those bosons are disconnected from the outside boson field entirely.
Then, working backwards, braking could be achieved by extruding material from the internal field that is highly attracted to the outer field - whatever that would be!! It's all just speculation.
It's fun to speculate on the theory. That's where a lot of Science Fiction comes from.
For those of you that say it's a waste of money, you wouldn't say that if some company built a working engine off this theory or if Hyundai then reverse engineered the engine and got all the money! |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| pegasus64128 wrote: |
For those of you that say it's a waste of money, you wouldn't say that if some company built a working engine off this theory or if Hyundai then reverse engineered the engine and got all the money! |
I'd much rather see the money spent on research into different type of fuels, or alternative energy so our cars can run next to nothing and we stop the dependency on oil.
you think with the price of logistics now getting oil from Saudi to hear is expensive how much will cost us when companies are drilling it on Moon 44 in the outer space quadrant in the nexus solar system to earth?
forget it. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| pegasus64128 wrote: |
For those of you that say it's a waste of money, you wouldn't say that if some company built a working engine off this theory or if Hyundai then reverse engineered the engine and got all the money! |
I'd much rather see the money spent on research into different type of fuels, or alternative energy so our cars can run next to nothing and we stop the dependency on oil.
you think with the price of logistics now getting oil from Saudi to hear is expensive how much will cost us when companies are drilling it on Moon 44 in the outer space quadrant in the nexus solar system to earth?
forget it. |
More projects are conducted using the system than simply Higgs Boson particle research. I believe I heard a while back that scientists were looking into recreating fusion using the LHC as well, but thus far were unable to achieve higher output than input at the time and create a self-sufficient energy source. |
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crisdean
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| crisdean wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
someone else mentioned that it could revolutionize propulsion which would most certainly be a great application for it. if we ever got to a point where we could control the higgs boson at will we could also theoretically create black holes and harness anti-matter.
imagine a machine where you could put in a chunk of lead and a flake of gold, strip all the mass from the lead and apply it to the gold. |
I'm curious what your background in physics is...
but anyways... propulsion, yeah, maybe, I guess if we could control the higgs field we could reduce the effective mass of an object making it easier (ie reduce the energy required) to accelerate it.
creating blackholes, probably wouldn't be a good idea. (at least it wasn't in that one episdoe of Eureka)
not sure how changing mass would make anti-matter any easier to "harness." it's pretty volatile stuff in a matter filled environment.
your lead-gold application seems pretty pointless, okay sure you've made gold heavy, but what's the purpose? it's not like you've made more gold, you've just increased it's gravitational potential.
The most direct application of a full understanding of the Higgs Boson would be artificial gravity. Then all the martial artists of the world could train in 100 times gravity just like Goku did on his way to Namek, provided it didn't squash them like bugs... |
oh my background in physics is junior grade nerd stuff. i keep active in it and spend time researching it, but i have no formal training in it. some of what i say could be wrong or off-base as you noted on my gold example.
as for the propulsion idea, the higgs field and higgs boson particles are two different things. what i would assume a higgs boson based propulsion system would do is place large amounts of mass in a concentrated area in FRONT of a vehicle, thus creating a gravitational pull in the direction the craft needs to go. |
I didn't mean to come off as condescending (I figured my referencing Dragonball Z would remove any trace of that), I apologise if that's how you took it.
I did actually take a lot of physics in University, though it wasn't one of my majors. I was good at the math, but lacked the imagination necessary for approaching problems that weren't similar to problems I already knew how to solve. Which might be why I'm less inclined to dream up applications for the Higgs Boson (if that is indeed what they've isolated)
your propulsion idea sounds somewhat familar, reminds me of a few different conversations I had with bright-eyed junior physics students in university. Physics students became less interesting as they advanced through their major, or maybe it was only the uninteresting ones that survived it... |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| pegasus64128 wrote: |
It's dubbed the 'God particle' by many for this reason.
Those who are not into the idea of there being a God particle call it the 'Light of Lucifer'. |
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| I also believe a spiritual renaissance will inevitably lead form this as we delve deeper into Science and find more and more seemingly 'intelligent design'. |
Perhaps it would be just as easy, and much less insulting, to leave the whole God and religious references out of this altogether...yes? |
It was dubbed the God particle by the Scientists involved. If you have a problem with that, why don't you pit your Scientific credibility against theirs. Good luck with that.
BTW, I don't think they imagine a bearded man, a gender, or even a solitary being every time they hear the word 'God', unlike some of us here! |
"As some of you may know, The God Particle is the title of a popular science book by Nobel Prize winner Leon Lederman, who was Fermilab's director for many years and thus my boss when I was a postdoctoral fellow there. According to Leon, he wanted to call the book The Goddamn Particle because nobody could find the thing. However, his editor discouraged him from the title, suggesting that The God Particle would sell many more copies. This is the story that Leon tells us."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/12/143571097/here-we-go-again-has-misnamed-god-particle-finally-been-found
"We don't know whether that's true, but what certainly is true is the name stuck.
"Physicists, in general, wish it hadn't. Peter Higgs, the University of Edinburgh physicist who first proposed the boson's existence, dislikes the name: "I find it embarrassing because, though I'm not a believer myself, I think it is the kind of misuse of terminology which I think might offend some people," he told The Guardian three years ago."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100123765/how-the-god-particle-got-its-name/
So the term was coined by Lederman to to push his book by that name in 1993.
However, the original scientists that wrote the papers on this back in 1964 didn't use that term...and Higgs himself doesn't like it.
So, whether on not I agree with that term is not really here or there...the term itself has already been coined and may or may not stick.
What I wanted to avoid was turning this thread into some kind of religious thread...which it did seem you were trying to do.
Then regardless of what any of us might think...this thread would soon disappear into the Higgs field...fair enough? |
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pegasus64128
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist |
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What I wanted to avoid was turning this thread into some kind of religious thread...which it did seem you were trying to do. |
I'm sorry but you're the only person who mentioned the R word. Fair enough?
I merely mentioned it by its informal name, which wasn't my idea. Have I not mentioned the 'Higgs boson' a great deal more than 'God particle' and as I said, I never used the R word. Only you did that.
Also, whether you like it or not the name 'God particle' has been used by Physicists.
There's nothing wrong with seeing spiritual, or philosophical ramifications of the existence of this particle. To appease you, I will refrain from using the informal name. |
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Otus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: |
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My physics is also more than a little rusty now but does this change the results of the Michelson - Morley experiment or is there another such experiment that actually verifies the existence of this aether?
Sorry - being lazy at the moment. I will read up on it some more - but overturning Michelson-Morley results would be crucial for it - no? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist |
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| pegasus64128 wrote: |
| I'm sorry but you're the only person who mentioned the R word. Fair enough? |
I guess your direct usage of the term 'intelligent design' was what?
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| I also believe a spiritual renaissance will inevitably lead form this as we delve deeper into Science and find more and more seemingly 'intelligent design'. |
Seriously disingenuous of you to even pretend that you weren't guiding the thread in that direction.
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| Also, whether you like it or not the name 'God particle' has been used by Physicists. |
Did you even read my post?
That part got covered already. 
Anyway...leave off the religious stuff...just sayin. |
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