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cj1976
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 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Greekfreak wrote: |
| We've since learned that Korea doesn't love football, it loves Korea. |
It's what I hate about Korean "sportsfans." The only sport people actually seem to like is baseball because it's like the one sport people watch even if there's no national pride involved. |
Agreed, but I always thought the baseball love was due to being able to eat fried chicken and drink in the stadiums hehe.
The kids seemed to genuinely be into soccer after the 2002 World Cup, but it faded fairly quickly. |
I would say way more boys prefer soccer than baseball. Prabably it's a generational thing. Once these kids get into the working world and start making money they might go to more K-League games.
But then again, working in Korea isn't that generous with free time. Catch the game or go drinking with the boss? |
Kids all around the world are into football because it is the simplest of sports. All you need is a ball and you ready to play. Baseball, hockey, basketball etc require expensive equipment and particular areas to play in. |
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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:51 am Post subject: |
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There's an inverse relationship here with the "love" for baseball vs. winning.
Until Lotte Giants stopped losing every single game, you could find more people at a random Lotteria than at the stadium. Very fickle fans.
You combine this with Korea's success at Olympic baseball and the Baseball world cup (what a joke), meant "okay, now we love baseball instead". When Korea starts losing baseball competitions, then you'll see the fair-weather fans disappear again.
A friend of mine once said he thinks that Korea peaked too early with the 2002 World Cup, and that the general public knows they'll never finish that high again, which is something I disagree with.
In 2006 they got 4 points in the group stage for the first time outside of Asia.
In 2010 they made it to the round of 16 for the first time outside of Asia.
I think a top 16 finish in the next world cup will be a reasonable expectation. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Greekfreak wrote: |
There's an inverse relationship here with the "love" for baseball vs. winning.
Until Lotte Giants stopped losing every single game, you could find more people at a random Lotteria than at the stadium. Very fickle fans.
You combine this with Korea's success at Olympic baseball and the Baseball world cup (what a joke), meant "okay, now we love baseball instead". When Korea starts losing baseball competitions, then you'll see the fair-weather fans disappear again. |
How is this any different from any other team in any other nation? A majority of teams in the US in all the leagues don't sell out their games. Most MLB games have an attendance that is half the capacity of the stadium. I went to UNC and even the UNC-dook basketball game had open student seats. To try and state that bandwagon fandom is inherently "Korean" is just ludicrous. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| Greekfreak wrote: |
There's an inverse relationship here with the "love" for baseball vs. winning.
Until Lotte Giants stopped losing every single game, you could find more people at a random Lotteria than at the stadium. Very fickle fans.
You combine this with Korea's success at Olympic baseball and the Baseball world cup (what a joke), meant "okay, now we love baseball instead". When Korea starts losing baseball competitions, then you'll see the fair-weather fans disappear again. |
How is this any different from any other team in any other nation? A majority of teams in the US in all the leagues don't sell out their games. Most MLB games have an attendance that is half the capacity of the stadium. I went to UNC and even the UNC-dook basketball game had open student seats. To try and state that bandwagon fandom is inherently "Korean" is just ludicrous. |
This is very inaccurate: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/sort/homePct. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| sml7285 wrote: |
| Greekfreak wrote: |
There's an inverse relationship here with the "love" for baseball vs. winning.
Until Lotte Giants stopped losing every single game, you could find more people at a random Lotteria than at the stadium. Very fickle fans.
You combine this with Korea's success at Olympic baseball and the Baseball world cup (what a joke), meant "okay, now we love baseball instead". When Korea starts losing baseball competitions, then you'll see the fair-weather fans disappear again. |
How is this any different from any other team in any other nation? A majority of teams in the US in all the leagues don't sell out their games. Most MLB games have an attendance that is half the capacity of the stadium. I went to UNC and even the UNC-dook basketball game had open student seats. To try and state that bandwagon fandom is inherently "Korean" is just ludicrous. |
This is very inaccurate: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/sort/homePct. |
Ok, I exaggerated. Here I'll correct myself:
Most MLB teams have an average attendance rate under about two thirds of the capacity of the stadium. In fact, the two teams with the median attendance percentages, the Mets and the Rockies, have an average attendance percentage of 70.5% and 67.5% respectively.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K0Ff2DgGGwM/TZ33uXOPoXI/AAAAAAAABVM/miJzpINHL_0/s1600/271065343.jpg
This is a picture of an MLB game. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with you that accusing Koreans of having a monopoly on bandwagoning is absurd, I just think you used a poor example to support your point. |
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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I never accused Koreans of monopolizing "bandwagoneering" or whatever you'd call it. You chose to infer that.
My generalization is exactly that; the average Korean doesn't care unless it involves Korea + winning. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:10 am Post subject: |
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So is the reason that Americans aren't into watching Badminton, Volleyball, Table Tennis and prefer to watch their Medal-caliber sports of Basketball, Hockey, and Baseball because of some sort of nationalism and fair-weather fandom? Or does it have something to do with which sports are popular and have high levels of participation?
In my view those three seem to be the biggest sports in Korea.
Koreans watch a fair amount of basketball and Korea is 4th rate at that. Koreans also watch tennis and while its a popular sport here, there's no top Korean players. Golf was popular before the LPGA Korean wave and YE Yang and KJ Choi.
But yeah, baseball is king. People even said as much back in the World Cup. I remember some article where a Korean spectator was talking about how great the World Cup was, but after it was all said and done he was going back to baseball.
I think the appeal of baseball is that its like an episode of Law & Order. You can find it on TV anyday and its pretty much the same reliable formula and you can have it on TV over dinner or in the background and not necessarily have to pay too much attention and no one objects to it being on the TV. You pick up some "guru" type lingo and suddenly you feel pretty smart. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I think the appeal of baseball is that its like an episode of Law & Order. You can find it on TV anyday and its pretty much the same reliable formula and you can have it on TV over dinner or in the background and not necessarily have to pay too much attention and no one objects to it being on the TV. You pick up some "guru" type lingo and suddenly you feel pretty smart. |
You put this beautifully, Steelrails. This is why I love baseball. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Greekfreak wrote: |
I never accused Koreans of monopolizing "bandwagoneering" or whatever you'd call it. You chose to infer that.
My generalization is exactly that; the average Korean doesn't care unless it involves Korea + winning. |
What I'm stating is that the average fan in any country doesn't care unless it involves their country + winning.
Take this argument: Canadians who consistently eat over 7,000 calories a day and don't exercise gain weight. Is it true? Yes. Is it because they are Canadian or because they're just human? |
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sml7285
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| I agree with you that accusing Koreans of having a monopoly on bandwagoning is absurd, I just think you used a poor example to support your point. |
Agree to disagree. I think that the fact that about half the teams in the MLB have, on average, more than 1/3 of their seats unfilled each game proves my point... but that's just my opinion. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| I agree with you that accusing Koreans of having a monopoly on bandwagoning is absurd, I just think you used a poor example to support your point. |
Agree to disagree. I think that the fact that about half the teams in the MLB have, on average, more than 1/3 of their seats unfilled each game proves my point... but that's just my opinion. |
Actually a lot of those attendance numbers are inflated. Tickets count as "sold" including giveaways and season ticket holders or rented out luxury boxes where the fans might not be in actual attendance. For many of those clubs the actual in-attendance numbers are often significantly lower.
I've watched games and been to games where "sell out" crowds have been announced but the stadium is at 75-90% capacity. Or games where they announce a crowd that's almost twice as large as who is actually in attendance. This is especially true on bad weather days where the game is played but under "meh" conditions and people with cheap bleacher seats don't even bother with the refund.
I mean we've all watched that Royals-Blue-Jays game where the announced attendance is 30,000 and there are probably 12,000 people in the stands. Unless for some reason 18,000 people are spending the entire game taking a dump and walking around the concourse. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Also true. Apparently the Red Sox maintain their sell out streak via mass ticket giveaways to charities. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks to this thread I'm listening to Jumpo Mambo... |
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Lolimahro
Joined: 19 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: 10 years ago in South Korea -World Cup 2002 |
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| I can't believe it has been 10 years already. Anyone else here during World Cup 2002? |
I first came to Korea during the World Cup. In fact, the first piece of Korean news I read the day after my arrival was the armored tank incident where the two teen girls were killed - I read it in the Stars and Stripes on June 25, I believe. I was just a teenager myself at the time. Crazy how time flies! |
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