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Dave Chance
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My nieces are black and they love K-pop. And this proud aunty herself loves kdramas  korean entertainment rocks
Honestly tho, i dont think k-pop stars can make it in the Western markets unless they fluent english speakers and maybe work with popular producers here. Girl bands have been makig better progress here.
K-pop artists should keep trying, i think they are wonderfully talented and entertaining. |
They are wonderfully trained, I'll give u that.
The ones who don't make it are made to work in 'service' industries in room salons to pay back the debt owed through years of training.This kind of set-up makes the rich older guys real happy, which makes sense, as they're the ones who set it up. |
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edwardcatflap
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| The ones who don't make it are made to work in 'service' industries in room salons to pay back the debt owed through years of training.This kind of set-up makes the rich older guys real happy, which makes sense, as they're the ones who set it up. |
Is this really true or just an urban myth? It makes a good story either way. |
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Dave Chance
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Tell u what come up with a couple million won and let's find out |
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slothrop
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| The ones who don't make it are made to work in 'service' industries in room salons to pay back the debt owed through years of training.This kind of set-up makes the rich older guys real happy, which makes sense, as they're the ones who set it up. |
Is this really true or just an urban myth? It makes a good story either way. |
Don't know how wide spread it is, but there are a few stories that broke out. In fact, such stories seem to break out on occasion. It isn't really a secret that managers sexually assault and/or beat their celebrities.
Regardless, the fact that celebrities have to go through a rigorous training process to become one says a lot about the "talent" and "art" in kpop. |
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Dodge7
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| The ones who don't make it are made to work in 'service' industries in room salons to pay back the debt owed through years of training.This kind of set-up makes the rich older guys real happy, which makes sense, as they're the ones who set it up. |
Is this really true or just an urban myth? It makes a good story either way. |
Don't know how wide spread it is, but there are a few stories that broke out. In fact, such stories seem to break out on occasion. It isn't really a secret that managers sexually assault and/or beat their celebrities.
Regardless, the fact that celebrities have to go through a rigorous training process to become one says a lot about the "talent" and "art" in kpop. |
this sounds more like selling your soul to the Devil for a little bit of fame to me than anything else. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| this sounds more like selling your soul to the Devil for a little bit of fame to me than anything else. |
It's something I never understood and it boggles my mind when I hear teenagers talk about how they want to become kpop stars. They have to go to dance and singing hagwons and train for the slight chance they can be picked up and train as a trainee of a major record company. If they're lucky they make it as an actual singer but they're told how to act and dress and sing. Not to mention they might get abused and harassed by other members in the industry. It's not like they make a lot of money either, unless they're really big like Lee Hyori or something. I thought the whole point of becoming a famous pop star was to make millions and/or be able to express yourself the way you want to. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd say the K-pop music programs the kids grow up with have a fair amount of influence in making the kids desperate to be one of the 'chosen' |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| leilam12 wrote: |
| My nieces are black and they love K-pop. And this proud aunty herself loves kdramas korean entertainment rocks...K-pop artists should keep trying, i think they are wonderfully talented and entertaining. |
I'm lost for words. |
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Hugo85
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Kpop industry is capitalism applied to the music industry at its finest. Make a product standard, throw a bunch of seemingly similar ones to the public until it sticks, drop the ones that don't. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| The ones who don't make it are made to work in 'service' industries in room salons to pay back the debt owed through years of training.This kind of set-up makes the rich older guys real happy, which makes sense, as they're the ones who set it up. |
Is this really true or just an urban myth? It makes a good story either way. |
True.
These companies often invest tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in vocal, dance, and physical training, cosmetic surgery, etc. into each performer. Many don't read the fine print, don't care, or are literally and figuratively seduced by A&R reps who have STRONG pimp hands into signing a dotted line which means they are responsible to pay back every dime.
Girls who are...ahem, enthusiastically cooperative with their handlers during grooming usually benefit from better training, better song selection from proven hit-making producers, better production value or conceptual performances...in a constant parade of cookie-cutter performances, something as simple as T-ARA's stuffed animal gloves used in their first "Bo-Peep" performance is unique or catchy enough to push a group into stardom.
Once they're proven hit-makers (Wondergirls, T-ARA, Girl's Generation, KARA, Miss A, Si-STAR, etc.) they can usually earn enough money from performances and endorsements to pay off their training. Companies so heavily invested in their images are also extremely protective of their artists. Company housing, personal transportation, wardrobe, per Diem spending are all provided for as long as they remain profitable, but very, very few ever see any real personal wealth from their initial endeavors. The "guarded" lifestyle is also pretty rough on them psychologically. Dating, free time with friends are all heavily regulated and monitored. Hence the term "slave contracts" that has been tossed around over the past few years.
Some of them end up as trophy wives for wealthy execs or established celebrities and fade into obscurity.
Girls who actually "make it" i.e. have a single released with the chance to perform on stage during a weekend showcase but either don't catch on or quickly fizzle out usually join the other once-famous gals in the 10% (ten-peu-ro) salon circuit...hostess bars and private parties that are fight-clubesque, invitation/membership-only places for the Korean elite. Think "Eyes Wide Shut" without the theatrics and you're on the right track.
Girls who get the training/surgery but never get their shot end up in the upper-class salons or take on the debt themselves and pay it off working as free-lancers in Seoul or places like Tokyo, Hong-Kong, Shanghai, even Vegas. Have any hot Korean friends who, despite having no skill sets or verifiable sources of income, constantly post photos of themselves on facebook enjoying long holidays in far-flung destinations at ridiculously expensive resorts? You do the math... |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
Girls who are...ahem, enthusiastically cooperative with their handlers during grooming usually benefit from better training, better song selection from proven hit-making producers, better production value or conceptual performances
Some of them end up as trophy wives for wealthy execs or established celebrities and fade into obscurity.
Girls who actually "make it" i.e. have a single released with the chance to perform on stage during a weekend showcase but either don't catch on or quickly fizzle out usually join the other once-famous gals in the 10% (ten-peu-ro) salon circuit.. |
Explains why there seem to be female singers with no talent, ability or looks whatsoever make it on tv. If they're not even good looking that seems to be the one logical explanation.
Makes me wonder about some of the gorgeous looking room salon girls I've seen handing out flyers in my neighborhood. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| What happens to the boys? It's not like there is a huge demand for guys satisfying some high powered executive's carnal needs, or maybe there is... |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| What happens to the boys? It's not like there is a huge demand for guys satisfying some high powered executive's carnal needs, or maybe there is... |
You may have noticed that the K-boy idols tend to be a bit feminized |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
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there must be some exclusive high end ROOMS, where ex idols, of even current idols are working for the RICH AJOSSI in the know.
the guy who is willing to drop 5 million or 10 million for a couple hours drinking with so and so. this is Korean I bet you these places are around. but johnny smith the Canadan English teacher will never hear about it. |
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