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itiswhatitis
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:09 am Post subject: So what happens when you get fired.... |
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Today my supervisor has a long talk with me and tells me that in the next day or 2 that "a committee" will meet with me to "discuss my future at the hagwon" . The committee includes her, the director and the owner. She then tells me that it is the opinion of the director that I am not suited to teach kindy.....
She gave other hints that I am to be canned...."last year we fired a teacher and we gave him many warnings...I think that the attitude of the director has changed and she does not like to give so many warnings anymore, she has already spoken to you a few months ago". OUCH!!!
In other words today was a pre-firing/the supervisor at the bottom of the pecking order softening me up/preparing me/doing the dirty work......
I know I'm getting canned....so please let's face that.
The good news:
I worked at my previous hagwon for 2 years and I have a god reference from them.
I was in Ulsan for 2 years before but now in Seoul. If I am canned can I get a new job and transfer my visa over? I submitted an RCMP check in March and immigration in Seoul should have it on file. Bottom line: can I remain in Korea while finding a new job and not have to be unemployed in Canada????
While I love Seoul, it ain't a big deal if I have to again be in Ulsan or even a smaller area.
I'll hang in there but loosing your job sure sucks. It's at a rich kids kindy in Gangnam and it's a 360 turn from teaching Elementary/middle school at a hagwon in Ulsan!!!! In Ulsan I was well liked but here I have been treated like a piece of trash and I get the most ridiculous complaints.
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:10 am Post subject: Re: So what happens when you get fired.... |
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| itiswhatitis wrote: |
Today my supervisor has a long talk with me and tells me that in the next day or 2 that "a committee" will meet with me to "discuss my future at the hagwon" . The committee includes her, the director and the owner. She then tells me that it is the opinion of the director that I am not suited to teach kindy.....
She gave other hints that I am to be canned...."last year we fired a teacher and we gave him many warnings...I think that the attitude of the director has changed and she does not like to give so many warnings anymore, she has already spoken to you a few months ago". OUCH!!!
In other words today was a pre-firing/the supervisor at the bottom of the pecking order softening me up/preparing me/doing the dirty work......
I know I'm getting canned....so please let's face that.
The good news:
I worked at my previous hagwon for 2 years and I have a god reference from them.
I was in Ulsan for 2 years before but now in Seoul. If I am canned can I get a new job and transfer my visa over? I submitted an RCMP check in March and immigration in Seoul should have it on file. Bottom line: can I remain in Korea while finding a new job and not have to be unemployed in Canada????
While I love Seoul, it ain't a big deal if I have to again be in Ulsan or even a smaller area.
I'll hang in there but loosing your job sure sucks. It's at a rich kids kindy in Gangnam and it's a 360 turn from teaching Elementary/middle school at a hagwon in Ulsan!!!! In Ulsan I was well liked but here I have been treated like a piece of trash and I get the most ridiculous complaints.
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I worked at a hagwon for 2 years that didn't pay national health insurance premiums. I started a new job on March 1st and I have wondered ever since how long (although if it never comes I will not be disappointed) it takes for the letter demanding that I pay back premiums takes to come.
I have yet to receive it.
As an aside.....one reason that I am curious is becasue I ran into my former boss last weekend. He was very rude and seemed somewhat angry and I got the impression that there was something he wanted to ask me. Although he is not an honest man, he was never once rude to my face in the 2 years that I worked for him. It made me wonder if he's gotten the letter because I think that he will have to pay back half of the money.
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The job that I have been at for 2 years (soon leaving) has not paid into the national pension program. I am moving to a new job in Korea which has both national pension and national health insurance.
I am already aware that at my new job that I will get nailed with having to pay back money for the national health plan.
This is my underatanding of what will happen if I claim the pension money:
I go to a government pension office and and claim it. I fill out some paperwork, arrange to pay my half of the money and then my boss gets a bill for the other half which he is required to pay.
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As an aside, I am on good terms with my boss and I would prefer to remain on good terms after I leave. If he asks me about this down the road (I will probably never have any contact with him again anyway but you never know) I will pretend to be annoyed at having to pay the money and swing it as us having a mutual rant against the pension office. In other words I will plead ignorance.
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Your last school wasn't paying into your pension or health insurance so I have to question about whether you weren't treated like trash at that place as well. Just because they smiled and said nice things to you while they gave you a stiff 6 doesn't mean that they were treating you well.
In the end, did someone end up back paying those 2 years of pension and HI?
Ok. On to the current problem.
Is the CURRENT school paying into pension? health insurance? taxes? If you're unsure, check up on it. If they aren't then it can be a bargaining tool for you to get a letter of release and transfer your visa. You haven't been there for 6 months, so it may be up to the immigration official about whether or not you get a transfer. If you're going to be fired, and you want to transfer the visa, try to negotiate with the bosses. If they're jerks they won't do any more than they have to but if you show that you're willing to go without a fight, they might negotiate and help you. Unless they have someone else ready to start tomorrow then you can always just say "I understand your position. I don't want you to lose any students. Perhaps my style just isn't suited your school. No problem. I would really like to stay in Korea, maybe head back to my previous neighborhood in Ulsan. Could you help me transfer my visa?" If they are jerks and say "no" then you say "Ok. Then if there's nothing in it for me, I'm leaving tomorrow." Have a LOR printed out and ready for them to sign and stamp then and there so that they can't reneg the next day. Helping you to transfer costs them nothing and it will help you a lot.
If you can't transfer because of the 6 month limit, you can ask the employer to file that they are firing you because of financial problems. In that case you should be able to transfer.
If you can transfer, you don't need another CBC.
If you can't transfer, then you get 14 days to leave the country. Use that time to set up job interviews. Go to Japan for a day and return as a tourist. Then you get 6 months (as a Canadian) to job hunt. When you get a job offer, submit your documents for a new visa and get it in Japan (on the new employer's dime). If you have documents ready then it will only take a week or 2 to get a new visa issuance number. You can't legally work during that time, but that's largely between you and the school because you'll probably have the new visa by the time you actually get paid. In any case, you shouldn't really need to go back home just to get a new job. Staying here in fact will help you get a better job, faster.
If you have to wait for new documents, then consider doing some temp work in another Asian country while you wait. (Of course it's illegal to do that in Korea, so as a law abiding member of society, you shouldn't even consider doing that, even though there are places that would hire you...) |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: So what happens when you get fired.... |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
Your last school wasn't paying into your pension or health insurance so I have to question about whether you weren't treated like trash at that place as well. Just because they smiled and said nice things to you while they gave you a stiff 6 doesn't mean that they were treating you well.
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: So what happens when you get fired.... |
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| itiswhatitis wrote: |
| I was in Ulsan for 2 years before but now in Seoul. If I am canned can I get a new job and transfer my visa over? I submitted an RCMP check in March and immigration in Seoul should have it on file. Bottom line: can I remain in Korea while finding a new job and not have to be unemployed in Canada???? |
You can stay in Korea if you change to a D-10 visa (looking for work visa). Plenty of threads on it if you run a search for "D-10" or "D10". That way you won't have to resubmit documents. But I think you'll need the LOR from your current employer since you aren't completing your contract.
By what you've written, it doesn't sound like your employers are angry with you, so maybe they'll give the LOR without a fuss? Some people just aren't cut out for the little ones. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Emark
Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: Re: So what happens when you get fired.... |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
You haven't been there for 6 months, so it may be up to the immigration official about whether or not you get a transfer.
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Have a LOR printed out and ready for them to sign and stamp then and there so that they can't reneg the next day. Helping you to transfer costs them nothing and it will help you a lot.
If you can't transfer because of the 6 month limit, you can ask the employer to file that they are firing you because of financial problems. In that case you should be able to transfer.
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I don't understand the 6 moth limit. Can you explain more? What's big deal with losing your job at 4 months as opposed to 7 months? Maybe at 4 month, the recruiter pushed a teacher into an unsuitable position. The teacher, school, parents and director all see that and want to make a correction. What's the big deal? Seems odd, that's all. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: Re: So what happens when you get fired.... |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
You haven't been there for 6 months, so it may be up to the immigration official about whether or not you get a transfer.
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Have a LOR printed out and ready for them to sign and stamp then and there so that they can't reneg the next day. Helping you to transfer costs them nothing and it will help you a lot.
If you can't transfer because of the 6 month limit, you can ask the employer to file that they are firing you because of financial problems. In that case you should be able to transfer.
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I don't understand the 6 moth limit. Can you explain more? What's big deal with losing your job at 4 months as opposed to 7 months? Maybe at 4 month, the recruiter pushed a teacher into an unsuitable position. The teacher, school, parents and director all see that and want to make a correction. What's the big deal? Seems odd, that's all. |
In Korea, 6 months is the arbitrary cut-off, or the end of an implied "probationary" period for ESL teaching positions (in general). It is easier to fight a firing after the 6-month mark than before it. Why? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
In the US, we put the arbitrary cut-off at 90 days for a lot of things -- again, an expressed or implied probationary period. If you get fired in the first 90 days, it is harder to fight than if you are fired after 90 days. Why? Again, the line has to be drawn somewhere.... |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Immigration also has a minimum time that you have to work at the same place before they let you transfer. I know that it used to be 6 months but that might have changed. It was always up to the individual guy at the immigration office regarding whether or not they'd let you transfer if you were under 6 months, but usually they refused it. It might be down to 4 months now, but I don't recall hearing anything specific about that so I think it's still 6 months (officially).
I'm not entirely sure why the rule exists unless it's just reduce paperwork for the boys at immigration.
As far as the probationary period and getting fired is concerned, legally the employer needs a justified reason to fire you in any case (although it's not hard for them to fabricate one). The difference is that during the probationary period, they can fire you on the spot. If you've worked there for at least 6 months, then they're required to give you 30 days notice. So if you've worked there for 6 months and the employer doesn't give you 30 days notice then it's one more point against the employer when you report them and claim that you were fired without just cause. If the labor board feels that you've been fired unfairly (before or after the 6 month mark) then they can help you to transfer your visa (without a LOR from the employer) - in addition to getting your pay for the rest of the 30 days. |
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