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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luckylady wrote:
some K teachers make really long commutes. foreign teachers are spoiled when it comes to commuting/living close to work


Yep, but when the standard is to spoil they're burning you by not doing so.
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that if the school places you in housing that is more than 1 hour away from your school, that it is perfectly reasonable to request compensation for the extra travel expenses.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a matter of spoiling when it comes to placing NETS near the school...it's a matter of making it easy for the boss to check up on them if they call in sick or something.

Pretty sure that the latter reason is prevalent in more hakwon bosses' minds then the former.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
It's not a matter of spoiling when it comes to placing NETS near the school...it's a matter of making it easy for the boss to check up on them if they call in sick or something.

Pretty sure that the latter reason is prevalent in more hakwon bosses' minds then the former.


no doubt you're absolutely correct but in the long run it usually does work out better for the teacher to be close
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
It's not a matter of spoiling when it comes to placing NETS near the school...it's a matter of making it easy for the boss to check up on them if they call in sick or something.

Pretty sure that the latter reason is prevalent in more hakwon bosses' minds then the former.


Probably. The crappy third option being when you live half an hour away and they still insist on you coming to work in order for them to take you to the doctor.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing about this post is it's not South Florida OR London, so... totally irrelevant.

You're definitely not biking to work. No sidewalks and lots of highway.

I'd be concerned with location. Are you right next to the station? Banghwa is the end of the line, out by the airport. Also, how far from Balsan station is your job? If you've got a 10-15 minute walk each way, plus another 10 on the subway, you're looking at upwards of an hour if you have to wait for the train (end of line 5, you will definitely be waiting at certain times.) If that's the case, you could be looking at another 10 hours a week of simply commuting. Yeah, looking at the map it's really close, and if you have a motorcycle or find a good bus, it could be a quick 10 minutes (and if you live and work right outside the subway station and catch the trains, it could be an easy ten minutes), but the odds are that it'll take a bit of time.

I'd find out the TIME required to get to work, then ask based on that. I had a job once that took me about an hour by bus even though it was only 2 miles. Walking, waiting, transferring, waiting, and walking some more adds up. When I was there, they gave me a stipend, but I didn't ask for one.

Good luck.
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HapKi



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me get this straight. School's providing your housing,
and you want to ask them for commute money?
My vote is you're being petty.
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wes1989



Joined: 07 Jun 2012

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porksta wrote:
You are working at Avalon, I am totally calling it.


No the place is called Lingua. I am thinking about just dumping it for a number of reasons.

While I want to be in Seoul this is on the very last station of line 5. Outskirts

There are quite of a few things missing from the contract (like mention of sick days, dress code, etc) along with incorrect tax (3.3%) and wrong calculations of their examples which just gives me an uneasy feeling. Like come on how long have you been witting contracts?

Also my recruiter gave me a blog with pictures of the accommodation but if you look at the comments (Click on 덧글 15 at the bottom to open up 15 comments) they are all dated on the same date with only a couple minutes apart and saying basically the same thing "thanks for the information/post" There are also no comments since that date and 10 minute time slot which makes me believe the blog is fake. http://blog.naver.com/dukwon0604/20156244770
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furtakk



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wes1989 wrote:
Porksta wrote:
You are working at Avalon, I am totally calling it.


No the place is called Lingua. I am thinking about just dumping it for a number of reasons.

While I want to be in Seoul this is on the very last station of line 5. Outskirts


If being in Seoul is important to you, I'd keep looking for another job. The area you're living in may as well be considered a satellite city. It's further away from notable places than some of the satellites (i.e. Bundang).
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wes1989



Joined: 07 Jun 2012

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

furtakk wrote:
wes1989 wrote:
Porksta wrote:
You are working at Avalon, I am totally calling it.


No the place is called Lingua. I am thinking about just dumping it for a number of reasons.

While I want to be in Seoul this is on the very last station of line 5. Outskirts


If being in Seoul is important to you, I'd keep looking for another job. The area you're living in may as well be considered a satellite city. It's further away from notable places than some of the satellites (i.e. Bundang).


Thanks I have been thinking maybe to apply to EPIK for March now that I have all the documents and recommendation letters gathered and not so strapped for time. Maybe I can make a killer video to go with it and display some of my Korean skills too....
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Porksta



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wes1989 wrote:
Porksta wrote:
You are working at Avalon, I am totally calling it.


No the place is called Lingua. I am thinking about just dumping it for a number of reasons.

While I want to be in Seoul this is on the very last station of line 5. Outskirts

There are quite of a few things missing from the contract (like mention of sick days, dress code, etc) along with incorrect tax (3.3%) and wrong calculations of their examples which just gives me an uneasy feeling. Like come on how long have you been witting contracts?

Also my recruiter gave me a blog with pictures of the accommodation but if you look at the comments (Click on 덧글 15 at the bottom to open up 15 comments) they are all dated on the same date with only a couple minutes apart and saying basically the same thing "thanks for the information/post" There are also no comments since that date and 10 minute time slot which makes me believe the blog is fake. http://blog.naver.com/dukwon0604/20156244770


Ah, I lived in Bangwha and worked in Balsan, so I thought maybe... My rule of thumb is that if they put in the contract (or in some cases the listing) that they are over taxing, it isn't worth it. If they are treating you illegally before you even work for them, then what is going to happen when you get over there?
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Emark



Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Haha. That is tightwad behaviour. Are you one of those skinflints that takes water home from the school water fountains?


skinflint = thrifty.
What's wrong with that? Very Happy
Hauling 7 to 10kg of water home might be good strength training exercise.
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missty



Joined: 19 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wes1989 wrote:
Porksta wrote:
You are working at Avalon, I am totally calling it.


No the place is called Lingua. I am thinking about just dumping it for a number of reasons.

While I want to be in Seoul this is on the very last station of line 5. Outskirts

There are quite of a few things missing from the contract (like mention of sick days, dress code, etc) along with incorrect tax (3.3%) and wrong calculations of their examples which just gives me an uneasy feeling. Like come on how long have you been witting contracts?

Also my recruiter gave me a blog with pictures of the accommodation but if you look at the comments (Click on 덧글 15 at the bottom to open up 15 comments) they are all dated on the same date with only a couple minutes apart and saying basically the same thing "thanks for the information/post" There are also no comments since that date and 10 minute time slot which makes me believe the blog is fake. http://blog.naver.com/dukwon0604/20156244770


I'm currently living in Banghwa, and whilst yes, it is the outskirts, its actually not bad. Line 5 isn't too slow, and you can get to Hongdae via the airport express in about 20-25ish minutes. Plus, Balsan isn't far at all. I'm working on line 9, and with changing the subway line its probably a lot further than where you'd be working. I don't think you should ask for compensation at all.

I can't say much about the photos in the link, but there are lots of foreign teachers placed in this area and the apartments are small but clean and safe. I've lived in worse for sure. I very much doubt the photos are fake, as the area shown is definitely Banghwa and the apartment looks pretty standard for the area.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some K teachers make really long commutes. foreign teachers are spoiled when it comes to commuting/living close to work[/quote]


FT's compared to KT's. Well it's really apples and oranges.

KT's don't have to move half way round the world to take the job,

don't have to leave family, friends and support networks behind them,

don't have all the hassles with visas, immigration, learning to live in a
new and different (sometimes hostile) culture,

don't have to worry about all the risks and unknowns that FT's have.


They can teach privates legally.

They can quit anytime and find another job without all the visa issues.


There are a lot more things than just 'teaching' that should be considered
when talking about the benefits FT's get in Korea.
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amoonbot



Joined: 29 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"They can teach privates legally." - This isn't true of Korean teachers. For those under a public school contract, Korean or not, you're not allowed to do extra work on the side unless it is approved by the school. And some hagwons also apply this rule to their employees regardless of visa or citizenship class.
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