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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we sure that it was an appendectomy? If the guy couldn't speak Korean, and he might not have even been in the room when the diagnosis was made, isn't it possible that there was a potential pregnancy problem?


"What's wrong honey?"
"Uhhhh...appendicitis?"

or

(Korean doctor blathering something in Korean)
"What did he say?"
"Uhhhh...its appendicitis"

Seriously, if it was an emergency appendectomy she would have been run on an ambulance there or advised to go somewhere else. Something would have gone down. If the hospital has an ER they would have treated it first and billed later. What you think they leave some unconscious guy in a car accident on the road?

Either that, or as I said and it was 3AM, and Dave's being a place with certain rules and judgmental people, stomach pump or drug OD.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's often faster to take a taxi than an ambulance, Steelrails. I've been told this by several older Korean friends here.

Also, mengjang (sorry for the poor romanization) is Korean for appendix, for future reference. I learned this when I went to the hospital for some suspicious pain in my abdomen that I was nervous about (as I knew the symptoms, as my mom's appendix had burst a few years prior.)

I'm really curious as to what hospital this was. I'd never heard about the pay first policy, and am glad that I didn't have to do that, as I was a crying mess when I was told that they would be operating on me.
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chungbukdo



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This spring I was visiting Korea on a tourist visa. I went in with debilitating abdominal pain from a life threatening condition. My gf took me, I had no korean insurance.

I waited about 20 minutes in the empty lobby (no line up) while they got forms and stuff for me to sign. I waited by rolling around on the floor in pain.

I had acute pancreatitis, where the pancreas releases digestive enzymes into the blood stream and begins autodigestion of the pancreas and surround organs. It is a high mortality case.

She actually had to pay for the registration for me at the hospital up front, but I didn't know that. It was not some significant fee, but it did have to be processed first.

All I can say is I would have waited much longer in Canada. My Mom had a life threatening emergency with diverticulitis where it exploded and began poisoning her internal organs, she waited 8 hours in emergency, they did not have an available bed because it was so overcrowded. They moved a bed into a janitors closet that they had cleaned out. She nearly died while waiting to see a doctor.

Right now I'm back in Canada and I am gonna get an ultrasound to see if gallstones maybe caused the pancreatitis. I will probably get it by October. Good thing I don't need an MRI, because the wait is even longer. My 13 year old little cousin died waiting for an MRI because he had migraines and a seizure. If he had immediate treatment like in the US, Korea, Thailand, anywhere, he might have gotten that brain tumour diagnosed before it was too late.

I have another good experience with Korea. In Canada I was on the 18 month waiting list for a non-urgent surgery. The initial 18 month waiting list was to make an appointment. Then there would be another 12-14 months after the appointment to wait for the actual surgery. In Korea I went to a place in Seoul, met with them at the beginning of the week and got it done on the weekend (could have done it the next day if I wanted). I did pay money, but I got a surgeon who did about 500 cases of the surgery per year, rather than 2-3 per year like the Canadian surgeons.
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NilesQ



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slothrop wrote:

here is a link to a story about an australian couple who travelled to canada. the woman gave birth a few months prematurely and had to stay in the hospital for 3 months. she had travel insurance but it didn't cover premature child birth. upon checking out of the hospital they gave her a bill for 1 million dollars. what a heart warming story.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808535-premature-baby-birth-left-australian-couple-with-1-million-hospital-bill


What feels very strange about this story is that the moment the child was born on Canadian soil it is elegible for Canadian citizenship and enrollment in the health care plan of the provence it was born in. The 3 months of care, presumably, was for the baby not the mother. It sounds fishy to me, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NilesQ wrote:
slothrop wrote:

here is a link to a story about an australian couple who travelled to canada. the woman gave birth a few months prematurely and had to stay in the hospital for 3 months. she had travel insurance but it didn't cover premature child birth. upon checking out of the hospital they gave her a bill for 1 million dollars. what a heart warming story.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808535-premature-baby-birth-left-australian-couple-with-1-million-hospital-bill


What feels very strange about this story is that the moment the child was born on Canadian soil it is elegible for Canadian citizenship and enrollment in the health care plan of the provence it was born in. The 3 months of care, presumably, was for the baby not the mother. It sounds fishy to me, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.


Not true, the child would be eligible for citizenship if one of its parents was Canadian. These people seem to have been tourists so therefore the child is not a citizen.

As for the bill, for tourists without insurance, Canadian Health care can be darn expensive but when you consider that healthcare in Canada is financed through high income taxes on its residents and citizens, well it makes very little sense to offer this healthcare free to people who contribute no taxes to Canada.

Quote:
"Section 3(2) of the Current Act states that Canadian citizenship is not granted to a child born in Canada if, at the time of his/her birth, neither of his/her parents was a Canadian citizen or Canadian permanent resident and either parent was a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee of a foreign government in Canada or an employee of such a person."
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NilesQ



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
slothrop wrote:

here is a link to a story about an australian couple who travelled to canada. the woman gave birth a few months prematurely and had to stay in the hospital for 3 months. she had travel insurance but it didn't cover premature child birth. upon checking out of the hospital they gave her a bill for 1 million dollars. what a heart warming story.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808535-premature-baby-birth-left-australian-couple-with-1-million-hospital-bill


What feels very strange about this story is that the moment the child was born on Canadian soil it is elegible for Canadian citizenship and enrollment in the health care plan of the provence it was born in. The 3 months of care, presumably, was for the baby not the mother. It sounds fishy to me, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.


Not true, the child would be eligible for citizenship if one of its parents was Canadian. These people seem to have been tourists so therefore the child is not a citizen.

As for the bill, for tourists without insurance, Canadian Health care can be darn expensive but when you consider that healthcare in Canada is financed through high income taxes on its residents and citizens, well it makes very little sense to offer this healthcare free to people who contribute no taxes to Canada.

Quote:
"Section 3(2) of the Current Act states that Canadian citizenship is not granted to a child born in Canada if, at the time of his/her birth, neither of his/her parents was a Canadian citizen or Canadian permanent resident and either parent was a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee of a foreign government in Canada or an employee of such a person."


Apparently the Amendments to the Citizenship Act in 2009 brought in new language seemingly resticting Jus soli (right of citizenship due to birth on a nations soil). This would explain why that Aussie couple were tagged with a huge bill for having their baby in BC.

Birth on Canadian Soil no longer comes with Canadian Citizenship.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NilesQ wrote:
Not true, the child would be eligible for citizenship if one of its parents was Canadian. These people seem to have been tourists so therefore the child is not a citizen.

As for the bill, for tourists without insurance, Canadian Health care can be darn expensive but when you consider that healthcare in Canada is financed through high income taxes on its residents and citizens, well it makes very little sense to offer this healthcare free to people who contribute no taxes to Canada.

Quote:
"Section 3(2) of the Current Act states that Canadian citizenship is not granted to a child born in Canada if, at the time of his/her birth, neither of his/her parents was a Canadian citizen or Canadian permanent resident and either parent was a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee of a foreign government in Canada or an employee of such a person."


Apparently the Amendments to the Citizenship Act in 2009 brought in new language seemingly resticting Jus soli (right of citizenship due to birth on a nations soil). This would explain why that Aussie couple were tagged with a huge bill for having their baby in BC.

Birth on Canadian Soil no longer comes with Canadian Citizenship.

I believe you are interpreting it wrong. The kid is a citizen since neither parent were diplomats. The parents would have to be non-citizens and diplomats for the child not to be granted Canadian citizenship. The hospital bill is for the mother, not the kid.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually jvalmer you may be right about the amendement but it is not all that clear.

One thing is dead certain, the parents (australian tourists) who had insufficient medical insurance would have to pay the health care fees.

As for the citizenship rules in Canada, they are under review by the Conservative government and the issue of "Birth Tourism" is one of the hot button topics. The current government intends to close what they call a "loophole" in the process to avoid this birth tourism.

Will that happen? No idea.

What I do know is that it would make absolutely no sense for Canada, a country that has tax-funded free healthcare for its citizens and residents, to provide free health care to tourists. It is up to tourists to know the costs and to purchase the approriate health insurance before they travel.


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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
How on earth would it make any sense for Canada (or any other country) to grant citizenship to kids born from tourists visiting Canada???

The reason western hemisphere countries traditionally granted citizenship to anyone born on their soil was to increase their population as fast as possible. And unless the kid comes back to Canada for any significant period of time the child can't draw from any social services in Canada while overseas.

I believe both requirements need to be met, not being citizens and being diplomats, before citizenship is denied if the child is born in Canada. The 'and' is key -- (neither of his/her parents was a Canadian citizen or Canadian permanent resident) and (either parent was a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee of a foreign government in Canada or an employee of such a person)


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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry jvalmer...I amended my post when I saw you were likely right!
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
How on earth would it make any sense for Canada (or any other country) to grant citizenship to kids born from tourists visiting Canada???

The reason western hemisphere countries traditionally granted citizenship to anyone born on their soil was to increase their population as fast as possible.

Not so for the U.S. It was a byproduct of the 14th amendment which gave citizenship to freed slaves.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning about Korean healthcare (horror story) Reply with quote

radcon wrote:
bunch of irrelevant dribble deleted


Whenever I see posts from the peanut gallery here, it reminds me why they HAVE to work in a foreign country. Any fellow countryman would recognize them for the nitwits that they are. Therefore, they have no choice but to hide behind language and cultural barriers.

Still, I suppose it's better than them being on the dole back home.
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radcon



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning about Korean healthcare (horror story) Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
radcon wrote:
bunch of irrelevant dribble deleted


Whenever I see posts from the peanut gallery here, it reminds me why they HAVE to work in a foreign country. Any fellow countryman would recognize them for the nitwits that they are. Therefore, they have no choice but to hide behind language and cultural barriers.

Still, I suppose it's better than them being on the dole back home.


Do you know me? Unlike you I don't need to post things about my financial situation to validate myself. "Look at me ESL teachers, I drive a Porsche, I'm a winner. You are losers. I'm the great Madoka." Real pathetic.
Why are you obsessed with teachers in Korea anyway? You don't live here. Isn't there some message board for moderately wealthy misfits that would better suit you?
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