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slothrop
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Kimchifart
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: |
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In a way it's made me think a little more along the lines of 'these are not my people and I will always do certain things in a different way and I will never be accepted by these foreigners' as opposed to the 'we are all one people, let's hold hands' point of view.
I'm also a bit annoyed about how ridiculously open my own nation is when other nations *cough* Korea *cough* are essentially almost completely closed societies and offer little to no naturalisation opportunities. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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It was fun for me to watch immigrant Poles in London last year.
I could tell exactly what they were thinking when some english shopkkeeper accused them of not taking care of their own children.
Small minded people are everywhere.
Personally I resent people who've never had to step out of their comfort zone and live in a foreign culture. |
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tardisrider
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: |
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I did something a few years ago that has helped me tremendously: I eliminated the word "Korean" from my vocabulary.
As in I would simply no longer think or say "Korean people are terrible drivers." and instead I realized "People are terrible drivers." That's just one example, of course, but it helps to prevent frustration and makes me feel better. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Personally I resent people who've never had to step out of their comfort zone and live in a foreign culture. |
Traveling is expense so I would never resent someone not traveling abroad (let alone live in a foreign country) for economic reasons. But for people with means, yeah, no excuses not to take some time to see and better understand the world. And that doesn't mean a cruise of Caribbean. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
It was fun for me to watch immigrant Poles in London last year.
I could tell exactly what they were thinking when some english shopkkeeper accused them of not taking care of their own children.
Small minded people are everywhere.
Personally I resent people who've never had to step out of their comfort zone and live in a foreign culture. |
This is the worst kind of relativist argument. Poles are almost fully integrated into the UK and almost half a million have come here since 2003, are able to seek any type of work, claim benefits and use the NHS. They have full rights and are treated equally under the law and are generally treated with courtesy. There are masses of Polish shops opening in small cities and towns.
Local services in the UK have been stretched due to mass immigration over the past 8-9 years yet they still receive all the rights and privileges of the natives.
Every week in the UK a plane arrives to take Polish criminals back to Warsaw, yet people still understand that proportionally, Poles do not commit a massive amount of crime.
Now compare how the 7800 English teachers in Korea are treated and the amount of rubbish in the press about us, when we have a lower crime rate that the natives. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea has made me more of a believer that dating/marrying someone from another culture/country is a great thing to do. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchifart wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
It was fun for me to watch immigrant Poles in London last year.
I could tell exactly what they were thinking when some english shopkkeeper accused them of not taking care of their own children.
Small minded people are everywhere.
Personally I resent people who've never had to step out of their comfort zone and live in a foreign culture. |
This is the worst kind of relativist argument. Poles are almost fully integrated into the UK and almost half a million have come here since 2003, are able to seek any type of work, claim benefits and use the NHS. They have full rights and are treated equally under the law and are generally treated with courtesy. There are masses of Polish shops opening in small cities and towns.
Local services in the UK have been stretched due to mass immigration over the past 8-9 years yet they still receive all the rights and privileges of the natives.
Every week in the UK a plane arrives to take Polish criminals back to Warsaw, yet people still understand that proportionally, Poles do not commit a massive amount of crime.
Now compare how the 7800 English teachers in Korea are treated and the amount of rubbish in the press about us, when we have a lower crime rate that the natives. |
Why do I have the suspicion that if you were to ask a Pole, or a Pakistani, or a West Indian, you'd likely get a different take on the issue...
Kore has made me less racist because it confirms what I suspected- People around the world are pretty much their same. The tune may change, but its the same dance.
And lastly, be careful with this thread. A poster by the name of PastorYoon was banned because he blamed Koreans for making him more racist. Tread carefully. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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interesting how the OP assumes everyone is racist to some degree and furthermore, acknowledges it  |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| One of my closest friends back home is Korean American. She warned me before I moved here that I would become racist. I don't believe that I am, but I am slightly more ethnocentric than I was before. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| There was a long thread on this topic a few years back. Let me see if I can locate it. It's funny how Korea affects some people, and can bring out very strong (often negative) feelings in people who had originally arrived here full of well-meaning political correctness and a degree in cultural relativism. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
| interesting how the OP assumes everyone is racist to some degree and furthermore, acknowledges it |
Everyone on earth has some sort of degree of racism--even if it is just slightly. EVERYONE. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| interesting how the OP assumes everyone is racist to some degree and furthermore, acknowledges it |
Everyone on earth has some sort of degree of racism--even if it is just slightly. EVERYONE. |
I read a study before (I wish I had a link), that flashed images and use brain scans to detect how individuals felt upon seeing the image. What they found was that the only people who didn't have an underlying negative reaction to an image of a person of another race were those who had been in interracial relationships with a person of that other race. Essentially, the thesis was that love is the only thing that can conquer our innate racism. I'm not saying I buy into this 100%, but it's interesting to consider. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| interesting how the OP assumes everyone is racist to some degree and furthermore, acknowledges it |
Everyone on earth has some sort of degree of racism--even if it is just slightly. EVERYONE. |
I don't, I hate everyone equally 
| northway wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| interesting how the OP assumes everyone is racist to some degree and furthermore, acknowledges it |
Everyone on earth has some sort of degree of racism--even if it is just slightly. EVERYONE. |
I read a study before (I wish I had a link), that flashed images and use brain scans to detect how individuals felt upon seeing the image. What they found was that the only people who didn't have an underlying negative reaction to an image of a person of another race were those who had been in interracial relationships with a person of that other race. Essentially, the thesis was that love is the only thing that can conquer our innate racism. I'm not saying I buy into this 100%, but it's interesting to consider. |
Only love can conquer the demon, eh? What about if the relationship ended acrimoniously? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JustinC wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| interesting how the OP assumes everyone is racist to some degree and furthermore, acknowledges it |
Everyone on earth has some sort of degree of racism--even if it is just slightly. EVERYONE. |
I read a study before (I wish I had a link), that flashed images and use brain scans to detect how individuals felt upon seeing the image. What they found was that the only people who didn't have an underlying negative reaction to an image of a person of another race were those who had been in interracial relationships with a person of that other race. Essentially, the thesis was that love is the only thing that can conquer our innate racism. I'm not saying I buy into this 100%, but it's interesting to consider. |
Only love can conquer the demon, eh? What about if the relationship ended acrimoniously? |
Double secret hate? |
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