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ajosshi



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

South Korea reconsiders whaling plan

South Korea appears to be backing away from plans to conduct "scientific" whaling but Gillard government ministers are not yet breathing a sigh of relief.

Foreign Minister Bob Carr is planning to discuss whaling during a meeting with his South Korean counterpart at the East Asian summit in Cambodia today.

Last week, at an International Whaling Commission meeting in Panama, South Korea revealed plans to start whaling for minkes for scientific purposes.

This would exploit a loophole in the global moratorium on commercial whaling that permits killing of whales for "scientific" research.

Advertisement The move sparked a wave of international condemnation, from countries including Australia, New Zealand and the United States.

At the time, Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she was "very disappointed" by the decision and instructed Australia's top diplomat in Seoul to raise the matter directly with the Korean government.

In South Korea, news media editorials rounded on the government, and some environmental protesters took to the streets.

Yesterday, an official with Korea's Ministry of Food, Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries told reporters South Korea was reconsidering its plans.

"We may not conduct whaling for scientific research if there is another way to achieve the goal," Kang Joon-Suk said.

Mr Kang said South Korea would fully consult international and domestic experts before and after presenting a detailed whaling programme to the IWC's scientific committee, set to meet in South Korea in May next year.

"We will respect the committee's recommendations in making our decision," he said.

Senator Carr welcomed the reports that South Korea was reconsidering its stance but said he was still worried about the issue.

"I'm concerned as yet but I'm looking forward to meeting the foreign minister of South Korea," he told ABC Radio.

Environment Minister Tony Burke said that South Korea needed to state publicly that they would never start whaling again.

"So long as Korea is in any way considering reintroducing so-called scientific whaling, Australia's opposed to it," Mr Burke told ABC Radio.

"We don't accept that there's anything scientific about going out, harpooning a whale, chopping it up and selling its meat."

The South Korean government has announced that South Korea would not consume meat from whales caught for scientific research if its original plan goes ahead.

South Korea officially suspended its whaling in 1986 in compliance with the IWC's global moratorium on commercial whaling.

But a limited market has continued to operate in some coastal cities, based largely on the so-called "by-catch" of minke whales in fishing nets.

Norway and Iceland openly defy the 1986 moratorium, saying they believe stocks are healthy.

Japan already uses the scientific research loophole, with the meat then sold as food.

The Australian government is taking Japan to the International Court of Justice - arguing that scientific whaling is an "abuse of right" - with the case expected to be argued before the court within the next year.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/south-korea-reconsiders-whaling-plan-20120712-21x35.html
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comm



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

ajosshi wrote:
Norway and Iceland openly defy the 1986 moratorium, saying they believe stocks are healthy.

Japan already uses the scientific research loophole, with the meat then sold as food.l

Sounds like it's Norway and Iceland that need to be getting the flak for this. Which is ironic, since I only ever hear about Japan's evil whaling practices in the media.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

ajosshi wrote:
South Korea reconsiders whaling plan

South Korea appears to be backing away from plans to conduct "scientific" whaling


That is typical of the South Korean way of doing things.

They promulgate some ill-considered plan, only to withdraw it equally as suddenly when they realize its not that great after all.


Comm wrote:
I only ever hear about Japan's evil whaling practices in the media


That may be due to the captain of "sea shepherd" and his personal vendetta against Japanese males. Very Happy

At least he knows he probably couldn't get away with the same antics with Norwegian fishermen.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are self described as emotional and spontaneous.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

comm wrote:
ajosshi wrote:
Norway and Iceland openly defy the 1986 moratorium, saying they believe stocks are healthy.

Japan already uses the scientific research loophole, with the meat then sold as food.l

Sounds like it's Norway and Iceland that need to be getting the flak for this. Which is ironic, since I only ever hear about Japan's evil whaling practices in the media.


That would conflict with the liberal PC media's view that Scandinavians are progressive, tolerant, and a model for the US to emulate.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
That would conflict with the liberal PC media's view that Scandinavians are progressive, tolerant, and a model for the US to emulate.


Which media are saying that? Got any quotes, or are these liberal PC media the same windmills that Fox News constantly tilts at?

Countries are not one-dimensional monolithic entities. Just because a country engages in something heinous like whale hunting doesn't mean that other parts of its society (e.g. welfare systems) aren't worth emulating.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. Glad to hear the South Koreans are reconsidering this. Korean rumours online (which, I know, aren't worth much) suggested that this is because President Lee Myung-Bak's family are from Pohang, near communities that traditionally eat whale around Ulsan. Plus it is an election year ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

Spartacist wrote:
Countries are not one-dimensional monolithic entities. Just because a country engages in something heinous like whale hunting doesn't mean that other parts of its society (e.g. welfare systems) aren't worth emulating.


And yet, that's exactly how Western (at least American) media tends to portray them. The create a narrative for any particular part of the world and frame any new reporting within that context. There's no time for a thorough understanding, just a quick snippet which is required to feel internally consistent for their audience.

In a practical sense, that means there's a good side and a bad side. The dictator is 100% bad, the resistance is 100% good. And if we help the 100% good resistance, then everyone will love us forever and no one will be angry that we interfered in their affairs. How can there be negative consequences for helping the 100% good side against the 100% bad side?

That was certainly the case in Afghanistan in the 80's. The "Evil Empire" (which was 100% bad) was imposing their will against 100% good resistance fighters. How could we not train and supply the resistance? And of course, the resistance fighters lived happily ever after.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

comm wrote:
They create a narrative for any particular part of the world and frame any new reporting within that context. There's no time for a thorough understanding, just a quick snippet which is required to feel internally consistent for their audience.


Good insight, thats exactly what they do.

Its a media device that creates an audience and a market for news. The human mind longs for a story that has structure and makes moral sense. Something you can tie up with a neat bow.

In reality the world isn't like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: South Korea reconsiders whaling plan Reply with quote

comm wrote:
Sounds like it's Norway and Iceland that need to be getting the flak for this. Which is ironic, since I only ever hear about Japan's evil whaling practices in the media.

I call it unconscious racism. In the back of the minds of many whites, Japan is still a land of Asian savages.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartacist wrote:
P.S. Glad to hear the South Koreans are reconsidering this. Korean rumours online (which, I know, aren't worth much) suggested that this is because President Lee Myung-Bak's family are from Pohang, near communities that traditionally eat whale around Ulsan. Plus it is an election year ...

It does make one wonder what the point was when they were obviously prepared to back down if the IWC complained. It could be another case of SK diplomatic incompetence or it could be a case of throwing a (whale) bone to voters in the form of "We tried..."
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan gets the majority of their heat from whaling that is done around Antarctica thousands of kilometers away from their waters....Generally speaking, Iceland and Norway stick to whaling around their own waters or not far from it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goreality wrote:
Japan gets the majority of their heat from whaling that is done around Antarctica thousands of kilometers away from their waters....Generally speaking, Iceland and Norway stick to whaling around their own waters or not far from it.


Are you implying that that's a rational explanation for why Iceland and Norway get a free pass, or are you just trying to be informative?

Because I still can't see how Japan's limited "scientific" whaling (which isn't scientific but is limited) could possibly be worse than Iceland and Norway saying "F*ck off, we'll kill whales if we want".
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:

Are you implying that that's a rational explanation for why Iceland and Norway get a free pass.


The only reason I can think Japan draws more attention is its proximity to Australia and New Zealand, which have a strong history of environmental activism.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Are you implying that that's a rational explanation for why Iceland and Norway get a free pass, or are you just trying to be informative?

Because I still can't see how Japan's limited "scientific" whaling (which isn't scientific but is limited) could possibly be worse than Iceland and Norway saying "F*ck off, we'll kill whales if we want".


Both.
What you do in your own neighborhood shouldn't be such a concern for people who don't live there, it attracts less global attention for obvious reasons. What you do in other people's neighborhood's will upset them. What you do in international waters will upset everyone.
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