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[yodanole]

One dead...

http://news.yahoo.com/us-navy-fires-ship-persian-gulf-one-dead-161552208--abc-news-topstories.html

[Dave Chance]

Well yeah if Russia had two carriers off the coast of California something might go down...'tho if Russia then fired on and killed someone they wouldn't be let off the hook...

[yodanole]

Two carriers, did you say?

http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-sends-carrier-middle-east-early-220927601--abc-news-politics.html

[ttompatz]

Just goes to show that the largest and most dangerous TERRORIST organization on the planet is the US government backed by the US military machine.

Opening fire on civilian vessels in an ALLIES territorial waters (not even in international waters) with outright impunity.

Perhaps it is time for countries in the Caribbean or perhaps the Canadians to start shooting at US pleasure craft in US waters. Maybe the Americans might get upset?

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[TheUrbanMyth]

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[ttompatz]

let's see... a UAE pleasure/fishing boat in UAE territorial waters approaches a CARGO ship (not like it was a combat vessel).

Said ship issues warnings (probably in English) over the radio and they are not acknowledged (since the people on the boat may not have radio or may not speak English) so they just open fire on a vessel in the territorial waters of an ally.

What do you think would happen if a US flagged pleasure craft approached a UK ship in the Bahamas, Bermuda or the BVI and was blown of out the water?

The US armed forces.... Shoot first and have an inquiry later.

TERRORISTS at large.

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[TheUrbanMyth]

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[ttompatz]

[Dave Chance]

The US has a history of trouble making in other countries' sovereign waters-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

A highly classified program of covert actions against North Vietnam known as Operation Plan 34-Alpha, in conjunction with the DESOTO operations, had begun under the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 1961. In 1964 the program was transferred to the US Defense Department and conducted by the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam Studies and Observations Group (SOG)[10]

For the maritime portion of the covert operation, Tjeld-class fast patrol boats had been purchased quietly from Norway and sent to South Vietnam. Although the crews of the boats were South Vietnamese naval personnel, approval for each mission conducted under the plan came directly from Admiral U.S. Grant Sharp, Jr., CINCPAC in Honolulu, who received his orders from the White House.[11] After the coastal attacks began, Hanoi lodged a complaint with the International Control Commission (ICC), which had been established in 1954 to oversee the terms of the Geneva Accords, but the US denied any involvement.

Four years later, US Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara admitted to Congress that the US ships had in fact been cooperating in the South Vietnamese attacks against North Vietnam.

President Johnson's speech to the American people

Shortly before midnight on August 4, President Johnson made a speech by radio in which he described an attack by North Vietnamese vessels on two U.S. Navy warships, USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy and requested authority to undertake a military response.[22][23] Johnson's speech repeated the theme that "dramatized Hanoi/Ho Chi Minh as the aggressor and which put the U.S. into a more acceptable defensive posture."[22] Johnson also referred to the attacks as having taken place "on the high seas," suggesting that they had occurred in international waters.[24]

Distortion of the event

Evidence was still being sought on the night of August 4 when Johnson gave his address to the American public on the incident. Messages recorded that day indicate that neither President Johnson nor McNamara was certain of an attack.[28]

Consequences

US Defense Secretary Robert McNamara failed to inform US President Lyndon B. Johnson that the U.S. naval task group commander in the Tonkin Gulf, Captain John J. Herrick, had changed his mind about the alleged North Vietnamese torpedo attack on U.S. warships he had reported earlier that day.

By early afternoon of 4 August, Washington time, Herrick had reported to the Commander in Chief Pacific in Honolulu that "freak weather effects" on the ship�s radar had made such an attack questionable. In fact, Herrick was now saying, in a message sent at 1:27 pm Washington time, that no North Vietnamese patrol boats had actually been sighted. Herrick now proposed a "complete evaluation before any further action taken."

President Johnson, who was up for election that year, ordered retaliatory air strikes and went on national television on August 4. Although Maddox had been involved in providing intelligence support for South Vietnamese attacks at H�n M� and H�n Ngư, Johnson denied, in his testimony before Congress, that the U.S. Navy had supported South Vietnamese military operations in the Gulf. He thus characterized the attack as "unprovoked" since the ship had been in international waters.

As a result of his testimony, on August 7, Congress passed a joint resolution (H.J. RES 1145), titled the Southeast Asia Resolution, which granted President Johnson the authority to conduct military operations in Southeast Asia without the benefit of a declaration of war. The Resolution gave President Johnson approval "to take all necessary steps, including the use of armed force, to assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty requesting assistance in defense of its freedom."

[edit] Later statements about the incidentIn 1965, President Johnson commented privately: "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." [33]

And that, folks, is the classic example of how America and its allies are "attacked by terrorists/raging out-of-control commies" etc.

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[TheUrbanMyth]

[ttompatz]