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northway · Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Ah, I knew he'd raised money since the judge set the new amount, but I didn't realize he could put such a small amount down.

bigverne · Joined: 12 May 2004

sirius black · Joined: 04 Jun 2010

There ARE legitimiate instances of racism. I guess the black guy who was dragged by rednecksin Texas a few years ago isn't racially motivated? There are legitimate instances of sexism, anti semitism, anti gay as well as anti white attacks/killings by blacks, etc. There are all types.

There are instances of shootings of black suspects committing crimes by white police officers that go without protest. I've rarely seen an open and shut case of a black guy being killed legitimately that garnered protests, etc.

Protested killings always seem to have some factor in it that says that it could have been avoided. Overzealous cops who could have detained rather than shoot, etc.

Institutionaized 'ism' on either a local, state or federal level is what is argued and by and large and we've removed most of it. Note I said 'most'. On the local level, the failure of Sanford to arrest Zimmerman seemed like such a case. Debatable perhaps but in light of the events I can certainly sympathize with Martin's parents as to why the mood at the time was that it was a justified shooting. I highly doubt the Zimmerman suupporters on this thread were they Martin's family or friend would objectively see it as legit even if you removed emotion.

The matter didn't seem right and warranted further investigation. That was plain and obvious. If your family member robs a store and gets killed you will see embarassment rather than outrage. If a family member who was a normal teenager gets killed coming home from the store its cerainly understandable that his being killed is seen as unjust.

bigverne · Joined: 12 May 2004

sirius black · Joined: 04 Jun 2010

That's on BOTH sides. Conservative media (Fox News, etc.), which has far more of a public platform immediately took a sympathetic viewing of Zimmerman. They do that in pretty much every racially charged incident. Given the history of Blacks in America (some of it recent), its sometimes to hard not to understand the paranoia at times and it gives the Jacksons and Sharptons a platform to keep their divisive rhetoric going.

Traditionally oppressed peoples have that sort of paranoia as a people: Blacks in America, Jews; the Irish in the 'struggles', etc.

With regards to the groups and people you mentioned what 'actions' [the actions of black leadership ]specifically are you speaking of? I'm no fan of Sharpton and Jackson by any standard but I'm not sure what exactly the CBC, NAACP have done as well as even Jackson and Sharpton themselves. My issues with them is making mountains out of molehills on issues that to me and most are not racial incidents. Some idiotic things. But on the face of it, I'm sympathetic to the view that were Martin white and not wearing a hoodie he may still be alive. Itst not a stretch in my mind. Maybe in you and others.

geldedgoat · Joined: 05 Mar 2009

sirius black · Joined: 04 Jun 2010

The story was natonal BEFORE Jackson and Sharpton came in. They didn't make it national they came in AFTER they saw it was a big story. I hate seeing either of them involved but to be fair, what race baiting did they do? Race was already part of the story by the time they got in. Both of them often takes the siliest things and try and make it a national issue. i'm recalling one asanine story about them making an issue out of the naming of hurricanes. In this matter however, I don't see it. They were riding coattails of an existing story. I'm not 100% sure of the timeline and I could be wrong but didn't Obama comment on it before Jackson and Sharpton got involved officially?

Fox News started doing more Zimmerman supported stories after some other stations did things but they did report on it initially and it wasn't in support of Martin. The commentators were siting the 'stand your ground' law when ever it was discussed. So, they were biased from the onset. Also, reporting the bias of another media source is one thing. Using that as an excuse to side with Zimmerman is another matter. Why not just be objecive. Why does ANY media outlet have to take sides, both for or against Martin or Zimmerman.

I said BOTH sides in my recent post. Media outlets have a habit of taking the 'victims' side of things regardless of race. I've never seen liberal or what is considered liberal media ever make an excuse for a black antagonist when its a white victim for the few stories that are reported.

So, whille I won't say the anti-Fox media were right for taking Martin's side, I think they should be objective, its common for pretty much any media to take the victim's side or give a slant to the "victim". Day time TV does it all the time with the Maury Povich's, etc.

Your term 'given an opening' says it all. By your version of events you're suggesting that they couldn't side with Zimmerman because they would seem biased and when presented with a bias against Zimmerman they felt comfortable to openly support him.

TheUrbanMyth · Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired

sirius black · Joined: 04 Jun 2010

Yes, they were biased. The media is often biased for who it deems is the victim and the antagonist.

I thought OJ was as guilty as sin but a major magazine (Time I think) had a picture of him shadowed that made him look ominous because they felt OJ was guilty. They often show the mugshot or some pic of the person with a surprised look from a paparazzi of someone that is going through a scandal. Its not right but its no surprise.

My point is that the media will take up the plight of who appears to be the innocent person. The general consensus in the media was that Martin was wrongly killed. Fox went against that trend and often does because of its ideological bias. It was against Occupy Wall Street and for the Tea Party because of its bias. The mass media has their bias as well. That's the point.

ghostrider · Joined: 27 Jun 2011

One of Zimmerman's cousins claims she was molested by him as a child:

"The witness is heard weeping throughout parts of the interview as she recounted the allegations that she said began at age 6. Zimmerman, who was two years older, allegedly began touching and feeling her against her will. She told investigators the incidents often happened during family get-togethers."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-accused-molesting-girl-children/story?id=16786905#.UAfcQGEe7EV

That's disturbing but I wonder if the statute of limitations has been surpassed.

TheUrbanMyth · Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired

sirius black · Joined: 04 Jun 2010

I hate seeing things that don't matter (to the case) pop up. Whether or not Zimmerman did that has no bearing on the case. It has no bearing on whether he had a predisposed attitude to kill Martin.
As much as I think Zimmermahn probably instigated and caused the death of Martin, I consider the bail and the molestation incidents to be inconsequential and a non matter.

Privateer · Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.

Opie and Anthony go over and comment on Hannity's interview with Zimmerman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAV82OqOs4&feature=related

32 minutes long but a lot of interesting detail.

Zackback · Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: Kyungbuk

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/nbc_sued_over_trayvon_tape_oVUCWcX6E8sU8FLDxAvHyJ

Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman is suing NBC over the network�s botched editing of his 911 tape, Page Six can exclusively reveal.

We hear Zimmerman�s attorneys are about to file a complaint against NBC and its top executives, naming news president Steve Capus and correspondent Ron Allen, who was the reporter on the scene for the broadcast on �Today� on March 27. He also remained the reporter for the story on �NBC Nightly News.�

A source tells us, �The suit will be filed imminently against NBC and its news executives. The network�s legal department has put everybody in the news department involved with this incident on notice, telling them not to comment.�

NBC launched an internal probe after producers misleadingly edited the 911 call placed by Zimmerman just before he shot the unarmed Florida teenager. The edit made it appear that Zimmerman had immediately told police that Martin was black, when the full tape reveals the neighborhood watch captain only did so when responding to a question posed by a dispatcher. Combined sections from two different parts of the tape gave the false impression that Zimmerman had said: �This guy looks like he�s up to no good or on drugs or something. He�s got his hand in his waistband. And he�s a black male.�

NBC News brass reportedly interviewed more than half a dozen staffers during its internal investigation, and at least three employees were let go. They determined that a �seasoned� producer was to blame for the clip and news executives did not know the 911 call had been misleadingly edited until reports about it surfaced days later.

An unidentified NBC executive previously told Reuters the �Today� show�s editorial control policies missed the selective editing of the call. It is not known if any other �Today� execs or anchors will be named in the suit.

NBC declined to comment last night. Zimmerman�s lawyer Mark O�Mara said he was unable to get us a comment before deadline.