|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
|
 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: |
 |
|
Its not Condi.
Two of America's least reliable pundits say she's Mitt Romney's top choice
| Conor Friedersdorf wrote: |
Rice would bring certain liabilities to any ticket she joined -- and that if this Drudge story is a trial balloon, Team Romney would do well to ponder those liabilities:
| Quote: |
1) The Republican campaign strategy of mentioning George W. Bush as little as possible would be jeopardized by choosing a figure best known for the controversial role she played helping to shape his foreign policy.
2) Rice championed the disastrous, unpopular war in Iraq, and inaccurately insisted that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, as in this memorable New York Times op-ed "Why We Know Iraq Is Lying."
3) The 9/11 attacks were hardly her fault. On the other hand, she was the National Security Adviser who didn't react quickly enough to terrorism warnings to prevent the most devastating attack on the American homeland since Pearl Harbor, which isn't a point in favor on her resume.
4) She was personally complicit in torture.
5) Social conservatives would revolt at a pro-choice candidate on the ticket. |
|
Conor is being kind in #3. Rice brushed off terrorism warnings as early as July, 2001. Condi isn't any better a choice than Palin.
Here's a more realistic list. I think it'll be a tough choice for Romney. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
Last week, on The Cycle, SE Cupp (the conservative of the group) asked if Condi would be the choice:
Steve: No
Crystal: No
Toure: No
SE: Hell no!
(Me):
The most likely choice is Huckabee. He is a religious conservative and the most likely choice for a top-of-the-ticket guy who happens to have a flakey religion (apologies to the LDS among us) that scares the bejezus out of the base. Jindal is the second choice (a hail Mary choice). He's Catholic, but at least brown, thereby proving that we are not racist bigots. (All the while proving nothing of the sort.)
In the end, it doesn't really matter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Huckabee would be an inspired choice. He has almost Reagan-esque charisma, the kind that can make you forget all of the horrible things he wants to do to the country.
It's such a good choice that I feel confident Team Romney would never make it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| waynehead wrote: |
Huckabee would be an inspired choice. He has almost Reagan-esque charisma, the kind that can make you forget all of the horrible things he wants to do to the country.
It's such a good choice that I feel confident Team Romney would never make it. |
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I know Condi has said no, think Huckabee also.
anyone else seeing the Romney campaign headed for a major meltdown over this tax return issue?
I don't like the guy but all that aside, have never seen a party struggling like this with their nominee(s), not to mention the number of vp choices highlighted in the media that keep saying not just no, but are very emphatic about it.
even tho a female vp choice would help him, don't think there's one out there that Romney would pick, at least one that's well known. probably someone not well known is being groomed for it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
| waynehead wrote: |
Huckabee would be an inspired choice. He has almost Reagan-esque charisma, the kind that can make you forget all of the horrible things he wants to do to the country.
It's such a good choice that I feel confident Team Romney would never make it. |
I'm not putting any money on Huckabee, it's just that I figure if Rmoney makes it as far as the convention without imploding, he'll need a Bible beater to shore up his base on the infinitely far right, and Huckabee is a reasonable choice.
The nasty side of me wishes Bobby Jindal were chosen, because then Mitt could resign the race and leave Jindal and Obama to duke it out while wading knee-deep in exploded heads, guts, and brains provided by the hysterical Old White Men Party. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| waynehead wrote: |
Huckabee would be an inspired choice. He has almost Reagan-esque charisma, the kind that can make you forget all of the horrible things he wants to do to the country.
It's such a good choice that I feel confident Team Romney would never make it. |
I'm not putting any money on Huckabee, it's just that I figure if Rmoney makes it as far as the convention without imploding, he'll need a Bible beater to shore up his base on the infinitely far right, and Huckabee is a reasonable choice.
The nasty side of me wishes Bobby Jindal were chosen, because then Mitt could resign the race and leave Jindal and Obama to duke it out while wading knee-deep in exploded heads, guts, and brains provided by the hysterical Old White Men Party. |
The far-right wouldn't support Huckabee. Trust me.
The hysterical Old White Men Party has worked its ass off to displace the actual white men in the country. Even if it were the Old White Men Party, it would be preferable to the multi-degernerate coalition that constitutes the Dems base. Interesting to me is that the Old White Men Party and the EBT Party create the exact same outcomes.
The dirty truth is that they're the same party. It is the same in every post-Western nation. There is a ruling class that divides itself into superficial groups to appeal to different branches of the population. Fake opposition and all that. The continuity between Bush and Obama should lay the R v D argument to rest. If you can't see this then please focus on Monday Night Football and leave politics alone. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Titus wrote: |
| The continuity between Bush and Obama should lay the R v D argument to rest. If you can't see this then please focus on Monday Night Football and leave politics alone. |
Ya-Ta thinks Obama is FDR. Obama said so. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Titus wrote: |
| The dirty truth is that they're the same party. It is the same in every post-Western nation. There is a ruling class that divides itself into superficial groups to appeal to different branches of the population. Fake opposition and all that. The continuity between Bush and Obama should lay the R v D argument to rest. If you can't see this then please focus on Monday Night Football and leave politics alone. |
I've always wondered why some people say things like this when nothing could be further from the truth.
it is true, of course, that money has corrupted both parties significantly, as has the NRA, but barring partisan corruption, there are quite stark differences between the 2 parties (R & D).
as a woman, and quite a progressive (some say anarchist) one at that, I can assure you that there are very clear differences in the democrats and the repubs.
anyway, it is becoming more and more clear with each passing election that our country (the U.S.) desperately needs more political parties, and hopefully, the green party and ows factions will stimulate this. still, there is no reason to give up before that happens.
just vote. it's important and it does count. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
| luckylady wrote: |
as a woman, and quite a progressive (some say anarchist) one at that, I can assure you that there are very clear differences in the democrats and the repubs. |
That's not really even the point. Neither party offers a solution on some of the most important national security and economic issues, and both are terrible when it comes to balancing civil rights versus Federal power. Yes, you might line up with one party on a particular issue, and you might find one party significantly less loathsome than the other. But that means very little given the national problems this country faces. Both parties offer completely unserious proposals. And aside from their promises, their conduct has been downright pathetic.
| Quote: |
| just vote. it's important and it does count. |
Your vote is wasted unless you "throw it away" on a third-party candidate or live in one of roughly 7-8 swing states.
How to protest the Major Parties without throwing away your Vote |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
| luckylady wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
| The dirty truth is that they're the same party. It is the same in every post-Western nation. There is a ruling class that divides itself into superficial groups to appeal to different branches of the population. Fake opposition and all that. The continuity between Bush and Obama should lay the R v D argument to rest. If you can't see this then please focus on Monday Night Football and leave politics alone. |
as a woman, and quite a progressive (some say anarchist) one at that, I can assure you that there are very clear differences in the democrats and the repubs.
anyway, it is becoming more and more clear with each passing election that our country (the U.S.) desperately needs more political parties, and hopefully, the green party and ows factions will stimulate this. still, there is no reason to give up before that happens.
just vote. it's important and it does count. |
See bold.
Voting is a meaningless, pointless act. It's for the best too. The exact last thing a society needs is the proles electing themselves whatever they want. The US and her subordinates have a disloyal elite. They lack an aristocracy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Titus wrote: |
Voting is a meaningless, pointless act. It's for the best too. The exact last thing a society needs is the proles electing themselves whatever they want. The US and her subordinates have a disloyal elite. They lack an aristocracy. |
that's got to be one of the most disingenuous, downright asinine statements anyone has ever made, living or dead.
do you seriously believe that people would give up their lives to vote if even one microbit of what you stated was correct?
or of course you are just trolling, which I suppose is more likely.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kuros wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
as a woman, and quite a progressive (some say anarchist) one at that, I can assure you that there are very clear differences in the democrats and the repubs. |
That's not really even the point. Neither party offers a solution on some of the most important national security and economic issues, and both are terrible when it comes to balancing civil rights versus Federal power. Yes, you might line up with one party on a particular issue, and you might find one party significantly less loathsome than the other. But that means very little given the national problems this country faces. Both parties offer completely unserious proposals. And aside from their promises, their conduct has been downright pathetic.
| Quote: |
| just vote. it's important and it does count. |
Your vote is wasted unless you "throw it away" on a third-party candidate or live in one of roughly 7-8 swing states.
How to protest the Major Parties without throwing away your Vote |
what's wasted is the space you used to write this response - as well as the time it took because while you put words on the page, they are little more than mumbo jumbo and you've made no clear statement, no concise conclusion and offered no substance whatsoever to your pathetic attempt at argument. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| luckylady wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
as a woman, and quite a progressive (some say anarchist) one at that, I can assure you that there are very clear differences in the democrats and the repubs. |
That's not really even the point. Neither party offers a solution on some of the most important national security and economic issues, and both are terrible when it comes to balancing civil rights versus Federal power. Yes, you might line up with one party on a particular issue, and you might find one party significantly less loathsome than the other. But that means very little given the national problems this country faces. Both parties offer completely unserious proposals. And aside from their promises, their conduct has been downright pathetic.
| Quote: |
| just vote. it's important and it does count. |
Your vote is wasted unless you "throw it away" on a third-party candidate or live in one of roughly 7-8 swing states.
How to protest the Major Parties without throwing away your Vote |
what's wasted is the space you used to write this response - as well as the time it took because while you put words on the page, they are little more than mumbo jumbo and you've made no clear statement, no concise conclusion and offered no substance whatsoever to your pathetic attempt at argument. |
Very good. Go ahead and vote for doubling down on the Bush tax cuts or Obama's preservation of those cuts for 98% of the populous. Go ahead and vote for more military spending or very modest "defense" trimming. Go ahead and vote for no entitlement reform or no entitlement reform. Go ahead and vote for private equity stooge or Wall Street stooge.
And talk about how important women's issues are while both parties mortgage your daughter's financial future. I doubt you are able to depart from value-laden discourse long enough to really face the big picture and the sad truth: the middle class is crippled and public solvency is a distant dream, and neither party will admit their failures, much less rectify them.
And no, your D v. R vote doesn't matter unless you live in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, Iowa, New Mexico, or Nevada. (See return on investment index) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kuros wrote: |
And no, your D v. R vote doesn't matter unless you live in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, Iowa, New Mexico, or Nevada. (See return on investment index) |
says you -
you should be ASHAMED of yourself spreading such nonsensical propaganda!!
it never ceases to amaze me how low some people will stoop to stop people from voting.
so guess since the voter id laws are being struck down, and people are rejecting other similar measures, you all have resorted to just plain old lying to try and convince people they shouldn't be voting.
wow the desperation is palpable. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
