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awg90
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: Is a teaching job still easy to get? |
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| I graduate college in December and I am starting to look into teaching abroad. From what I've read, getting a public school job is competitive (500 jobs offers out of 2,000 resumes?). Is it the same way for private schools or is it much easier getting a private school job? |
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rebellis
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it depends on when you apply. I've never taught at a public school, but most of my friends do. Public schools tend to be more 'selective' as compared to private ones. It would also depend on the location you want to teach, most foreigners want to be in or near Seoul usually, adding to the competition. But it's hard to notice job competition here after leaving the US where many friends can't find anything. |
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viciousdinosaur
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Go to China. If I was a first-timer like you, thinking about which Asian country to go to, I would go to China. Salaries are rising. Prospects are good. Regulations are low. Stress is less. |
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Keeper
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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What it comes down to is the economy. If things pick up when you graduate then jobs should be easier to find. If they don't then it will be hard.
I would rather work in the states and make two to three times as much money. I think many others would also feel how I do and it is why things are tied to the economic situation.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Is a teaching job still easy to get? |
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| awg90 wrote: |
| I graduate college in December and I am starting to look into teaching abroad. From what I've read, getting a public school job is competitive (500 jobs offers out of 2,000 resumes?). Is it the same way for private schools or is it much easier getting a private school job? |
Graduate in Dec. but when do you get the actual parchment?
Many schools have a grad class at the end of the 1st term but they don't get their parchment till the following spring and without the actual parchment in hand (no, transcripts and a letter won't do) you CANNOT get a job since you cannot get a visa.
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Keeper
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is a teaching job still easy to get? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| awg90 wrote: |
| I graduate college in December and I am starting to look into teaching abroad. From what I've read, getting a public school job is competitive (500 jobs offers out of 2,000 resumes?). Is it the same way for private schools or is it much easier getting a private school job? |
Graduate in Dec. but when do you get the actual parchment?
Many schools have a grad class at the end of the 1st term but they don't get their parchment till the following spring and without the actual parchment in hand (no, transcripts and a letter won't do) you CANNOT get a job since you cannot get a visa.
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Excellent point, I graduated in December. It says so on the transcripts but they didn't give me the diploma until June. |
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Dodge7
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| why not try to get a job in your home country first? Save yourself the headaches. |
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artyom
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is a teaching job still easy to get? |
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awg90
Joined: 12 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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As for finding a job in the U.S. when I graduate-- I will be in the application process for a specialized federal job that takes over a year, so I figured it would be a good opportunity to head abroad for the experience and to save some cash. I'll have to check with my school about the diploma issue, but from what I've seen, my friends have gotten theirs within a month or so from graduation.
I'll look into the China jobs as well. Is it pretty much true that if I have all of my documents together I should get a private school offer? What if I don't have the TEFL license (certificate?)? |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| awg90 wrote: |
As for finding a job in the U.S. when I graduate-- I will be in the application process for a specialized federal job that takes over a year, so I figured it would be a good opportunity to head abroad for the experience and to save some cash. I'll have to check with my school about the diploma issue, but from what I've seen, my friends have gotten theirs within a month or so from graduation.
I'll look into the China jobs as well. Is it pretty much true that if I have all of my documents together I should get a private school offer? What if I don't have the TEFL license (certificate?)? |
No, that's not true. Having docs just means recruiters will acknowledge your existence, as opposed to pretending you are a mosquito buzzing around their head.
Things have changed in Korea. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| awg90 wrote: |
As for finding a job in the U.S. when I graduate-- I will be in the application process for a specialized federal job that takes over a year, so I figured it would be a good opportunity to head abroad for the experience and to save some cash. I'll have to check with my school about the diploma issue, but from what I've seen, my friends have gotten theirs within a month or so from graduation.
I'll look into the China jobs as well. Is it pretty much true that if I have all of my documents together I should get a private school offer? What if I don't have the TEFL license (certificate?)? |
Great idea! And don't bother with a TELF. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:39 am Post subject: quotes |
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| Go to China. If I was a first-timer like you, thinking about which Asian country to go to, I would go to China. Salaries are rising. Prospects are good. Regulations are low. Stress is less. |
Looks like someone trying to limit competition for jobs in Korea.
I don't think the above poster has ever taught in China. I can assure you that it isn't a land of milk and honey here.
Koreans practically hold your hand as you come over to begin your ESL Korea. They pay for your flight and meet you at the airport.
I can't say the same for every employer here in China.
Start your career in Korea and then move to China if you feel the urge. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: Re: quotes |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| Go to China. If I was a first-timer like you, thinking about which Asian country to go to, I would go to China. Salaries are rising. Prospects are good. Regulations are low. Stress is less. |
Looks like someone trying to limit competition for jobs in Korea.
I don't think the above poster has ever taught in China. I can assure you that it isn't a land of milk and honey here.
Koreans practically hold your hand as you come over to begin your ESL Korea. They pay for your flight and meet you at the airport.
I can't say the same for every employer here in China.
Start your career in Korea and then move to China if you feel the urge. |
Comparing China to Korea or Japan is like comparing stock at Costco to a mom and pop convenience store. If the mom and pop shop has what you need, you are in luck. However, at Costco, you're going to find exactly what you are looking for most of the time if you are willing to put in the time.
I didn't see much variation working in Japan or Korea. The job expectations and living arrangements were pretty much standard. In China, you have to negotiate everything. This can be good if you want more of one thing, less of another. I never had support in Korea when moving my stuff.
Usually, the schools wanted me out immediately. In China, I have been able to store my stuff at the previous school or stay in the apartment well past the final teaching day to get transitioned to a new school. One school held onto my stuff for a month and I went back when I got a new school. Things like this just don't happen in Korea or Japan. At least, I never did it or know someone that has.
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| From what I've read, getting a public school job is competitive (500 jobs offers out of 2,000 resumes?) |
Where did you hear that? If you work with a recruiter, your chances of getting a public school job are a lot higher and you can know where you will teach. Perhaps applying to some pool of applications and waiting might get you lucky.
Why risk it? |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:16 am Post subject: Re: quotes |
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| Go to China. If I was a first-timer like you, thinking about which Asian country to go to, I would go to China. Salaries are rising. Prospects are good. Regulations are low. Stress is less. |
Looks like someone trying to limit competition for jobs in Korea.
I don't think the above poster has ever taught in China. I can assure you that it isn't a land of milk and honey here.
Koreans practically hold your hand as you come over to begin your ESL Korea. They pay for your flight and meet you at the airport.
I can't say the same for every employer here in China.
Start your career in Korea and then move to China if you feel the urge. |
What competition? I don't work anywhere an E2er could. I'm just trying to save the guy a lot of trouble. The country one first steps foot in is huge. People get invested in their area and it's hard to up and leave. I'm a tall oak now, but if I was a young seedling I'd plant myself in an open field (china) now a crowded bush (korea). |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: |
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What competition? I don't work anywhere an E2er could
I let them sleep.
Honestly, if they can sleep through my lessons, they must be pretty damn tired. I have a loud voice and I talk the whole class.
I feel bad for the kids. They're sick or exhausted from too many hagwons.
The only reason I would wake them up is if I thought I would get in trouble. |
You teach kids who fall asleep in class because they go to hagwans at night. That sounds like public school, or at least an after school program to me. How is that different from all the other E2ers? |
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