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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm qualified to teach. I'm licensed. That's all you need to know. |
Congratulations! Licensed teachers in history, math, basketweaving or whatever have no place teaching ESL. Like the sweeping generalizations much, Radius?
Now, only if they had an F6 visa (that does mean that they are serious teachers after all) Korea would be so much better off. |
Having an F6 may not make you a better teacher, but it does mean you have a family to support, a Korean family. |
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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Having an F6 may not make you a better teacher, but it does mean you have a family to support, a Korean family. |
What's this have to do with anything? |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
Having an F6 may not make you a better teacher, but it does mean you have a family to support, a Korean family. |
What's this have to do with anything? |
It means that you may earn sympathy points with your existing or potential employer. I know it did with mine. When my contract was finished I asked if he wanted to renew my contract and his exact words were, "I know you have a baby on the way and I don't want to give you a hard time in Korea." Maybe he wouldn't have renewed my contract had I not been F6 with a baby on the way. Who knows. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Having an F6 may not make you a better teacher, but it does mean you have a family to support, a Korean family. |
What's this have to do with anything? |
I know this might sound a little flippant, but people on F6 should have an advantage in Korea. Unlike those on E2, we are more integrated with the community. We have Korean family members and our employment benefits our family members and by extension Korea. I know that myself and others will never be accepted as full members of the Korean community (nor do I deserve it having avoided military service), but we are viewed differently. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I think they do favor F-6s. My guess is that the schools have fewer hoops to jump through with the government to hire them.
If I decide to go back to Korea, I could go the F-6 route, but I'd need to hire a Korean immigration lawyer to help out, because my wife will remain in the US at her job while I'm gone. At least that is what a lawyer within the immigration department told me.
Or, I could go with the E-2 again...
I went to Korea on my own last time, and several hakwons were interested as soon as I arrived, because they heard I was married to a Korean, but they cooled quickly when I said I didn't have the spousal visa.
I believe I heard that the new F-6 wouldn't have to be renewed each year. I'd like to get one so I could go to Korea whenever - like during school breaks in the US (once I get a teaching job there). It would be good for my wife to visit her family and for me to make a little extra money...
...but right now, I need to get my documents in order.
If I had imagined I would have such trouble finding a teaching position in my state, I'd have been collecting them already....
Poo... |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| but people on F6 should have an advantage in Korea. Unlike those on E2, we are more integrated with the community. We have Korean family members and our employment benefits our family members and by extension Korea. |
That's fine for a wider analysis, but for just teaching your native language you basically have "clown" responsibilities. The big one is to look different than those you are entertaining.
If you want to use your connections, people like myself might envy you, but you should really step it up a few notches and become fluent in Korean, seek employment outside of the teaching sector (business, interpreting, technology/engineering, medicine, etc...). |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| You can easily get a job in the Middle East with those credentials. Just find a recruiter that is not a twit. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: |
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And you are realizing a trend. The market can only bare so much until it spews out all the unwanted, business, economics, agriculture, accountant degrees and basket weavers out. What's left is the wonderful world of licensed teachers this field should have been based on--solid principles and an academic foundation to back it up. It won't be too long now until Korea starts demanding Licensed Teachers. There, I'll be in line.
It's survival of the fittest. Accountants, businessmen--you made you bed, you went to college 4+ years to learn your craft, now is the time to apply what you learned and get a job in your field. Teachers, it is almost time to reap what we've sown, soon enough the ESL world will be ours mauhahahaha.
Kidding. Only half, though. |
What subject are you a licensed teacher in? I'm licensed in social sciences 6-12 in my state. That didn't translate to me being more qualified to teach ESL in Asia (other than classroom management and lesson planning). What did make me more qualified was years of experience and extra ESL related studies. How about you? |
Yes and no.
Yes because the training and educational program you typically complete to get certified includes transferable skills and knowledge like: lesson planning, pedagogy, classroom management, planning and grading evaluations that reflect a program, teaching techniques....
So that does make you more qualified.
No because it does not give you ESL-TEFL specific knowledge or specific knowledge on teaching foreign students. Still, with the tools and skills you have as a liscended teacher you are typically better equipped to teach..
Just sayin... |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I wouldn't give up on the basis of what just one recruiter said. Around 5 years ago, I was in a similar position to you, looking at the Middle East. I was also told I didn't have enough credentials compared to other candidates. I know that a lot of the really good posts go to PhD'ers. A couple of my friends landed such jobs as soon as they had completed their PhDs, but who only had about half the number of years of classroom experience as I had. However, as you'll see from the job boards, there is such a high demand for all level of teachers in the Middle East these days, that just about anyone should be able to break in if they're persistent enough.
What about looking at international schools elsewhere, though? As a certified teacher, you should have a pretty good pick of options just about anywhere in the world. For certified teachers, there are some pretty good current options in places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and Brunei. As Brunei is largely a Muslim country, it can't be too different from the Middle East!  |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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I'm waiting to get my criminal background check back before getting into a 2nd round of applications.
I got a couple of interviews (no offers) the first round, which was a good test. I'll see what happens next time.
I also applied to a couple of schools in Central and South America that paid enough to make financial sense - no interviews.
I'm still trying to get something outside of Asia.
The international schools seem to usually say they prefer you to be familiar with a specific curriculum - none of which I'm familiar with - at least by name... |
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Hank the Iconoclast

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
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And you are realizing a trend. The market can only bare so much until it spews out all the unwanted, business, economics, agriculture, accountant degrees and basket weavers out. What's left is the wonderful world of licensed teachers this field should have been based on--solid principles and an academic foundation to back it up. It won't be too long now until Korea starts demanding Licensed Teachers. There, I'll be in line.
It's survival of the fittest. Accountants, businessmen--you made you bed, you went to college 4+ years to learn your craft, now is the time to apply what you learned and get a job in your field. Teachers, it is almost time to reap what we've sown, soon enough the ESL world will be ours mauhahahaha.
Kidding. Only half, though. |
What subject are you a licensed teacher in? I'm licensed in social sciences 6-12 in my state. That didn't translate to me being more qualified to teach ESL in Asia (other than classroom management and lesson planning). What did make me more qualified was years of experience and extra ESL related studies. How about you? |
Yes and no.
Yes because the training and educational program you typically complete to get certified includes transferable skills and knowledge like: lesson planning, pedagogy, classroom management, planning and grading evaluations that reflect a program, teaching techniques....
So that does make you more qualified.
No because it does not give you ESL-TEFL specific knowledge or specific knowledge on teaching foreign students. Still, with the tools and skills you have as a liscended teacher you are typically better equipped to teach..
Just sayin... |
I agree with this. The whole student teaching experience and the knowledge they impart helps you teach all subjects. My MA in TESL by itself is not sufficient to make me entirely confident in front of my students. It gave me the subject knowledge but not the practical knowledge that can only be earned through hours of observation by an experienced teacher. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Hank the Iconoclast wrote: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
And you are realizing a trend. The market can only bare so much until it spews out all the unwanted, business, economics, agriculture, accountant degrees and basket weavers out. What's left is the wonderful world of licensed teachers this field should have been based on--solid principles and an academic foundation to back it up. It won't be too long now until Korea starts demanding Licensed Teachers. There, I'll be in line.
It's survival of the fittest. Accountants, businessmen--you made you bed, you went to college 4+ years to learn your craft, now is the time to apply what you learned and get a job in your field. Teachers, it is almost time to reap what we've sown, soon enough the ESL world will be ours mauhahahaha.
Kidding. Only half, though. |
What subject are you a licensed teacher in? I'm licensed in social sciences 6-12 in my state. That didn't translate to me being more qualified to teach ESL in Asia (other than classroom management and lesson planning). What did make me more qualified was years of experience and extra ESL related studies. How about you? |
Yes and no.
Yes because the training and educational program you typically complete to get certified includes transferable skills and knowledge like: lesson planning, pedagogy, classroom management, planning and grading evaluations that reflect a program, teaching techniques....
So that does make you more qualified.
No because it does not give you ESL-TEFL specific knowledge or specific knowledge on teaching foreign students. Still, with the tools and skills you have as a liscended teacher you are typically better equipped to teach..
Just sayin... |
I agree with this. The whole student teaching experience and the knowledge they impart helps you teach all subjects. My MA in TESL by itself is not sufficient to make me entirely confident in front of my students. It gave me the subject knowledge but not the practical knowledge that can only be earned through hours of observation by an experienced teacher. |
Pretty much what I meant Hank. Well said. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| I had fewer credentials and was offered a teaching position in Saudi Arabia. Clearly the OP could go for even a more favorable Middle eastern country. You might want to contact schools in the emirates on your own. If nothing else Taiwan public schools will definitely hire you. They require Licensure in your home country. The working conditions and pay in Taiwan are similar to Korea. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I've always valued experience over classroom learning, but I don't discount either one.
I've always said an expat who wants to learn how to teach can do so even in the hakwon system. Much like students learning, it depends on the teacher's willingness to try new things and evaluate how it is going and strive to be more effective. Meaning: You can go through the hakwon system and not gain much insight - or - you can learn.
I think I learned much teaching low level English my first years teaching full time.
But, I do recognize that I'm weaker in some areas than teachers back in the US. I'm weaker than average in terms of formal evaluation, because I didn't have to give grades in most of the places I worked in Korea.
Anyway, I sent my criminal background check a week ago Monday. In another week or two, I'll start sending out a batch of more applications.
We'll see what happens... |
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Canadian Club
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| What about applying to the international schools anyway and seeing what happens? Are there any IB workshops in your area that you could take? If you're qualified and certified to teach, do it! |
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