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northway
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| michellegm15 wrote: |
Anyhow, thanks y'all, it was helpful. @Troglodyte, you DID post a response...strange that it disappeared...I found it the most helpful by far. Good call on making a resume with a fake name and approaching hagwons for work for a month. I think that's by far the best suggestion. I think we will probably see about that and if it doesn't feel promising after trying that for a while, then *shrugs* c'est la vie. Thanks!! |
I really hope you're trolling. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| michellegm15 wrote: |
Anyhow, thanks y'all, it was helpful. @Troglodyte, you DID post a response...strange that it disappeared...I found it the most helpful by far. Good call on making a resume with a fake name and approaching hagwons for work for a month. I think that's by far the best suggestion. I think we will probably see about that and if it doesn't feel promising after trying that for a while, then *shrugs* c'est la vie. Thanks!! |
I really hope you're trolling. |
I hope the boyfriend gets caught and detained for breaking the law and the OP gets detained for abetting. Seriously, how many times does this same question have to be answered on these boards? And every time some moron breaks the law and gets caught, it makes it difficult for those of us who don't break Korean law. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| michellegm15 wrote: |
Anyhow, thanks y'all, it was helpful. @Troglodyte, you DID post a response...strange that it disappeared...I found it the most helpful by far. Good call on making a resume with a fake name and approaching hagwons for work for a month. I think that's by far the best suggestion. I think we will probably see about that and if it doesn't feel promising after trying that for a while, then *shrugs* c'est la vie. Thanks!! |
I really hope you're trolling. |
I hope the boyfriend gets caught and detained for breaking the law and the OP gets detained for abetting. Seriously, how many times does this same question have to be answered on these boards? And every time some moron breaks the law and gets caught, it makes it difficult for those of us who don't break Korean law. |
I'm a bit more laissez faire about it, but regardless, don't come on here and bitch at people for telling you that a bad idea is a bad idea. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| michellegm15 wrote: |
Anyhow, thanks y'all, it was helpful. @Troglodyte, you DID post a response...strange that it disappeared...I found it the most helpful by far. Good call on making a resume with a fake name and approaching hagwons for work for a month. I think that's by far the best suggestion. I think we will probably see about that and if it doesn't feel promising after trying that for a while, then *shrugs* c'est la vie. Thanks!! |
I really hope you're trolling. |
maybe the OP is trolling to show how the foreign teacher community in korea automatically reacts out of fear that their collective self image will be lowered because 1 indian guy might make a few bucks under the table.
i remember 17 years ago getting an under the table job washing dishes or waitressing was "the thing to do" for young americans travelling around europe to prolong their stay on the continent. it was great living in a world where one could make a few extra bucks while travelling abroad and not live in constant fear of being turned in to the authorities. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| michellegm15 wrote: |
Anyhow, thanks y'all, it was helpful. @Troglodyte, you DID post a response...strange that it disappeared...I found it the most helpful by far. Good call on making a resume with a fake name and approaching hagwons for work for a month. I think that's by far the best suggestion. I think we will probably see about that and if it doesn't feel promising after trying that for a while, then *shrugs* c'est la vie. Thanks!! |
I really hope you're trolling. |
maybe the OP is trolling to show how the foreign teacher community in korea automatically reacts out of fear that their collective self image will be lowered because 1 indian guy might make a few bucks under the table.
i remember 17 years ago getting an under the table job washing dishes or waitressing was "the thing to do" for young americans travelling around europe to prolong their stay on the continent. it was great living in a world where one could make a few extra bucks while travelling abroad and not live in constant fear of being turned in to the authorities. |
Like I said, I don't care if people are tutoring on the side, but it's not exactly advisable. There's no reason to go off on people for not giving you the answer you want. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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maybe OP didn't get the answer she wanted because she was hoping for even MORE fear induced lecturing(how 1 guy can make ALL our lives more difficult) to use in her disertation about what changes occur over time to the collective soul of a subset of a foreign community that is constantly held under a microscope, held to a higher standard than everyone else, and the mistakes of the few are blown out of proportion by local media.
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| maybe OP didn't get the answer she wanted because she was hoping for even MORE fear induced lecturing(how 1 guy can make ALL our lives more difficult) to use in a paper she is writing for her disertation about what changes occur over time to the collective soul of a subset of a foreign community that is constantly held under a microscope, held to a higher standard than everyone else, and the mistakes of the few are blown out of proportion by local media. |
You don't think that's the same in any country you go to? I used to have a family friend in the US tell me that I would have to perform at a level at least 20% higher than whites in the US to get any sort of recognition. I found this to be true.
You don't have it any more difficult than any other minority in a developed country. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| maybe OP didn't get the answer she wanted because she was hoping for even MORE fear induced lecturing(how 1 guy can make ALL our lives more difficult) to use in a paper she is writing for her disertation about what changes occur over time to the collective soul of a subset of a foreign community that is constantly held under a microscope, held to a higher standard than everyone else, and the mistakes of the few are blown out of proportion by local media. |
You don't think that's the same in any country you go to? I used to have a family friend in the US tell me that I would have to perform at a level at least 20% higher than whites in the US to get any sort of recognition. I found this to be true.
You don't have it any more difficult than any other minority in a developed country. |
1st of all, there are plenty of asians who are american citizens, so i don't think you needed to perform 20% higher than a white guy.LOL if you found yourself in that situation, then i'm sorry you found yourself working for an ignorant racist.
and we're not talking about "job performance", but rather "how you act", morally speaking, or the perception thereof... and i don't think all foreigners have to act better than koreans in korea, just english teachers... so it is NOT RACISM! 
maybe OP should let Dave's esl community know that her boyfriend is now looking for under the table factory work... so that we all can breath a sigh of relief that he won't appear on a special report about illegal english teachers and await the passing of NEW new regulations.
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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What are you guys even arguing about?
Are you saying Asians have a hard time in the US?
I don't know where you grew up, maybe some backwards red state, but where I'm from racists attitudes and stereotypes are something you read about in history books. I never looked at someone and thought "Oh, this person's black, so they're like this and I can't be friends with them".
Maybe I've heard some white people say something along the lines of "Well, I don't think black people are that smart or Asians are untrustworthy or don't marry a Jew" But those kind of people are very rare and they get called out on that crap very quick.
I'd say the vast majority of white people harbour no racist feelings whatsoever, and the minority that do bite their lips and don't say anything. I think minorities, particularly in my country of Canada, have it pretty good. About as well as can be expected for a group that is coming in and wiggling out a space for themselves. I mean what did you expect? A red carpet welcoming?
That doesn't mean I think white people have it bad in Korea. Quite the opposite, we have it pretty good. Thanks to the legacy of our ancestors and their technological developments. Our preferential treatment in this country is totally undeserved. And to fair, Koreans are pretty amiable to most races, at least publicly. They view foreigners with a sort of exotic curiosity, as opposed to repressed hate (They save all of that for the Japanese).
It's not really a race issue at all. It's a community issue, isn't it? When that Gyopo gang-banger got busted teaching in Bundang, it wasn't about him being Gyopo that made headlines, it was him being an English teacher. It was "English Teacher wanted on murder charges". That was the headline. When that African-American went nuts and punched that old man on the bus, again, the focus was on the fact that he was an English teacher.
Gyopo, black, white--doesn't really matter to the Koreans, we are the English teachers. That's how we are viewed. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| to everyone who wrote that they hope this guy gets caught and deported please ask yourself.... if you married a korean and moved back to the states and then your spouses brother or sister came to visit for three months and found an under the table job to make a few extra bucks... would you also wish that they were caught and deported? if you do not wish that then you are human, but inconsistant. if you DO wish that then you have a bright future with the gestapo.LOL |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
What are you guys even arguing about?
Are you saying Asians have a hard time in the US?
I don't know where you grew up, maybe some backwards red state, but where I'm from racists attitudes and stereotypes are something you read about in history books. I never looked at someone and thought "Oh, this person's black, so they're like this and I can't be friends with them".
Maybe I've heard some white people say something along the lines of "Well, I don't think black people are that smart or Asians are untrustworthy or don't marry a Jew" But those kind of people are very rare and they get called out on that crap very quick.
I'd say the vast majority of white people harbour no racist feelings whatsoever, and the minority that do bite their lips and don't say anything. I think minorities, particularly in my country of Canada, have it pretty good. About as well as can be expected for a group that is coming in and wiggling out a space for themselves. I mean what did you expect? A red carpet welcoming?
That doesn't mean I think white people have it bad in Korea. Quite the opposite, we have it pretty good. Thanks to the legacy of our ancestors and their technological developments. Our preferential treatment in this country is totally undeserved. And to fair, Koreans are pretty amiable to most races, at least publicly. They view foreigners with a sort of exotic curiosity, as opposed to repressed hate (They save all of that for the Japanese).
It's not really a race issue at all. It's a community issue, isn't it? When that Gyopo gang-banger got busted teaching in Bundang, it wasn't about him being Gyopo that made headlines, it was him being an English teacher. It was "English Teacher wanted on murder charges". That was the headline. When that African-American went nuts and punched that old man on the bus, again, the focus was on the fact that he was an English teacher.
Gyopo, black, white--doesn't really matter to the Koreans, we are the English teachers. That's how we are viewed. |
http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/leader/workplace-leadership/Why-Are-Asian-American-Executives-Scarce.asp
I'm not talking about from an everyday point of view. I've only been discriminated against for my race in person a dozen times or so in the 23 years I lived in the States.
What I'm talking about is the glass ceiling that exists for Asians as well as the ludicrous requirements for Asians to get into the top tier schools. When I began meetings with my college counselor in HS about applying to colleges the first thing out of her mouth was, "you're going to have a tougher time than everyone else getting into top schools because of your race." |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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What I'm talking about is the glass ceiling that exists for Asians as well as the ludicrous requirements for Asians to get into the top tier schools. When I began meetings with my college counselor in HS about applying to colleges the first thing out of her mouth was, "you're going to have a tougher time than everyone else getting into top schools because of your race." |
that is because of quotas and that there are so many highly qualified koreans and asians applying to the top schools that they feel in the interest of fairness they have to leave some slots open for stupid americans grew up watching 8 hours of TV everyday. you were disciminated against because your fellow koreans are overqualified.
AHAH! now i know why sml7285 has no empathy for the foreign ESL teacher... it is because of their efforts to improve korean's english that he didn't get that harvard scholarship.LOL |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
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What I'm talking about is the glass ceiling that exists for Asians as well as the ludicrous requirements for Asians to get into the top tier schools. When I began meetings with my college counselor in HS about applying to colleges the first thing out of her mouth was, "you're going to have a tougher time than everyone else getting into top schools because of your race." |
that is because of quotas and that there are so many highly qualified koreans and asians applying to the top schools that they feel in the interest of fairness they have to leave some slots open for stupid americans grew up watching 8 hours of TV everyday. you were disciminated against because your fellow koreans are overqualified.
AHAH! now i know why sml7285 has no empathy for the foreign ESL teacher... it is because of their efforts to improve korean's english that he didn't get that harvard scholarship.LOL |
Stupid troll is stupid. Not worth getting ticked over. I'm done with this thread. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| i was just kidding. of course i don't know your situation. enjoy your day. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| to everyone who wrote that they hope this guy gets caught and deported please ask yourself.... if you married a korean and moved back to the states and then your spouses brother or sister came to visit for three months and found an under the table job to make a few extra bucks... would you also wish that they were caught and deported? if you do not wish that then you are human, but inconsistant. if you DO wish that then you have a bright future with the gestapo.LOL |
If I married a Korean, I would hope that my future brother/sister-in-law would obey the law in the US just as I would be expected by their country to obey Korean laws in Korea.
No need to butcher the English language in your post, nor even to mention the Gestapo. |
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