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Urgent Question regarding Korea Teachers' Private Pension

 
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:26 am    Post subject: Urgent Question regarding Korea Teachers' Private Pension Reply with quote

For a period of two years, a total of a little over 5 million Won was subtracted from my salary and put into the Korea Teachers' Private Pension. I have always assumed that the employers are always required to 100% match the employee's contribution to a pension fund regardless whether it is the public pension or a private pension. So, I naturally expected to get back a little over 10 million Won yesterday. However, I have only received a little over 6 and a half million Won.

Can someone with some authority such as ttompatz please show me what the law says on this matter?
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: Urgent Question regarding Korea Teachers' Private Pensio Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
For a period of two years, a total of a little over 5 million Won was subtracted from my salary and put into the Korea Teachers' Private Pension. I have always assumed that the employers are always required to 100% match the employee's contribution to a pension fund regardless whether it is the public pension or a private pension. So, I naturally expected to get back a little over 10 million Won yesterday. However, I have only received a little over 6 and a half million Won.

Can someone with some authority such as ttompatz please show me what the law says on this matter?


You work at a private university hence the exemption (by law - both under the labor standards acts (employee retirement fund act) and the NPS) from the NPS and the exclusion from the employer contributions.

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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In short, there are additional downsides to working at a private university I wasn't already aware of. I guess at this point, while admittedly feeling disappointed to hear this, I am not that surprised.
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats why some private univs will boot people after 4 years because after 4 years they have to kick in pension then and that can be a huge chunk of change
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denverdeath



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

most, if not all, private unis/colleges will also report ur earnings in an "interesting", yet, supposedly, legal way. they manipulate things like research funds, gov't allowances/grants, meal funds, etcetera to lower their bottom line. if u stay at the place for more than 5 yrs though, they will b paying in a bit more.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a total of a little over 5 million Won was subtracted from my salary


Just to double check, I don't need the details but answer this to yourself. Were you paid a salary which would warrant 400 to be contributed to your pension account?

If you said it was a little over 5,000 then let's say 2,600/year = about 216/month. If they had to match, then they would have put 400 into the account.

Usually, the typical E2 visa holder would get half of that. It seems like they deducted more than they should have or they are not going to put in anything themselves.

Why did they say you owed 5,000,000 and they owed only 1,000,000? Have you asked them this yet?
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fishy



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just call them and ask. That's what I do whenever I have a question. I don't ask my colleagues because there's so much misinformation out there. They have a guy (hopefully still there) who can answer your questions in English.
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
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a total of a little over 5 million Won was subtracted from my salary


Just to double check, I don't need the details but answer this to yourself. Were you paid a salary which would warrant 400 to be contributed to your pension account?

If you said it was a little over 5,000 then let's say 2,600/year = about 216/month. If they had to match, then they would have put 400 into the account.

Usually, the typical E2 visa holder would get half of that. It seems like they deducted more than they should have or they are not going to put in anything themselves.

Why did they say you owed 5,000,000 and they owed only 1,000,000? Have you asked them this yet?


Actually, I am not an English teacher. I was just teaching a major subject area in English. But to answer your question, my base salary was 3 million. Anyways, I already emailed the university administration on Friday and expect an answer on Monday. I just wanted to find out some information from an alternative source as for a variety of reasons, I do not completely trust the university administration.
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nora



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The numbers are right.

The private pension plan sucks if you're here for the short term. My job just switched us to it this year. We were on the national pension which was a 50/50 split. On the private plan though it's something like 80/20. Each year however, the numbers change and it becomes more favorable to me.

A friend of mine is leaving Korea after being here for 11 years and she is getting her private pension money back. She put in 28 million over the years but is getting about 120 million when she goes.

If you've been there a few years, then yeah, you're only going to get what you put in and a little extra. If you're there for multiple years, it really pays off.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
YTMND wrote:
Quote:
a total of a little over 5 million Won was subtracted from my salary


Just to double check, I don't need the details but answer this to yourself. Were you paid a salary which would warrant 400 to be contributed to your pension account?

If you said it was a little over 5,000 then let's say 2,600/year = about 216/month. If they had to match, then they would have put 400 into the account.

Usually, the typical E2 visa holder would get half of that. It seems like they deducted more than they should have or they are not going to put in anything themselves.

Why did they say you owed 5,000,000 and they owed only 1,000,000? Have you asked them this yet?


Actually, I am not an English teacher. I was just teaching a major subject area in English. But to answer your question, my base salary was 3 million. Anyways, I already emailed the university administration on Friday and expect an answer on Monday. I just wanted to find out some information from an alternative source as for a variety of reasons, I do not completely trust the university administration.


So, they had to contribute 270,000? That would be 6,480,000 total.

Did you get that amount?
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
Konglishman wrote:
YTMND wrote:
Quote:
a total of a little over 5 million Won was subtracted from my salary


Just to double check, I don't need the details but answer this to yourself. Were you paid a salary which would warrant 400 to be contributed to your pension account?

If you said it was a little over 5,000 then let's say 2,600/year = about 216/month. If they had to match, then they would have put 400 into the account.

Usually, the typical E2 visa holder would get half of that. It seems like they deducted more than they should have or they are not going to put in anything themselves.

Why did they say you owed 5,000,000 and they owed only 1,000,000? Have you asked them this yet?


Actually, I am not an English teacher. I was just teaching a major subject area in English. But to answer your question, my base salary was 3 million. Anyways, I already emailed the university administration on Friday and expect an answer on Monday. I just wanted to find out some information from an alternative source as for a variety of reasons, I do not completely trust the university administration.


So, they had to contribute 270,000? That would be 6,480,000 total.

Did you get that amount?


To be more specific, the total I got from the private pension office was a little over 6.6 million Won. In short, I originally contributed a little over 5 million and the university only contributed a little over 1.6 million.
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jackson7



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had this spelled out for us very neatly by our administration. This is a bummer of a plan if you're here for the short term (as others have written), but it is much better after you've stayed with an institution for five years (although something changed in the plan in 2009, so you may want to see if you can transfer between pension schemes).

Many friends have been disappointed when they got such a small amount back from two or three years at a university. This MAY be why several universities with enormous general English programs have put a three to four year cap on their lecturers (often two-year contracts, twice renewable).

Find a place in which you're happy, stick it out for the five years, and perhaps you'll even be there for the full twenty and get the actual pension later in life (which is MUCH better than the payout, if you live have an average life expectancy). Another bonus in this regard is that the national pension will likely run dry in the next forty to fifty years, according to conservative projections, but the teacher's pension is private and will likely have a more stable ratio of those receiving to those funding.

Nothing here on Dave's (except perhaps good ol' Ttompatz!) is a substitute for the horse's mouth, however. Check out the website, or give a ring and get an English-speaker on the line: www.ktpf.or.kr


J7
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackson7 wrote:
We've had this spelled out for us very neatly by our administration. This is a bummer of a plan if you're here for the short term (as others have written), but it is much better after you've stayed with an institution for five years (although something changed in the plan in 2009, so you may want to see if you can transfer between pension schemes).

Many friends have been disappointed when they got such a small amount back from two or three years at a university. This MAY be why several universities with enormous general English programs have put a three to four year cap on their lecturers (often two-year contracts, twice renewable).

Find a place in which you're happy, stick it out for the five years, and perhaps you'll even be there for the full twenty and get the actual pension later in life (which is MUCH better than the payout, if you live have an average life expectancy). Another bonus in this regard is that the national
pension will likely run dry in the next forty to fifty years, according to
conservative projections, but the teacher's pension is private and will likely
have a more stable ratio of those receiving to those funding.

Nothing here on Dave's (except perhaps good ol' Ttompatz!) is a substitute
for the horse's mouth, however. Check out the website, or give a ring and
get an English-speaker on the line: www.ktpf.or.kr


J7


At this point, I have already accepted a new job with a higher salary in Shanghai. In fact, I will be leaving Korea in less than a week. That being said, after having been here off and on for 4.5 or 5 years depending on how you count the time, I will definitely miss Korea despite some common difficulties I have faced.

Also, in a year or two, I plan to go back to graduate school in the USA and earn a PhD. Given that I already have a master's degree in the given field, that should take 3 or 4 years. So, if at that point in time (4 to 6 years from now) with perhaps more opportunities for foreigners, I can find a real tenure track position in my field of study, then I will be happy to return to Korea.
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Hyeon In



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
In short, there are additional downsides to working at a private university I wasn't already aware of. I guess at this point, while admittedly feeling disappointed to hear this, I am not that surprised.


But massive positive sides if you're British!

Woo! You can get back what you pay in! Woo!

Sorry to *beep* with your pancake-syrup-surprise-shit.

We get *something* bsck. Huzzah.
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