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slothrop



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: edit Reply with quote

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viciousdinosaur



Joined: 30 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know the solution is when you can't find a job with your Phd?

Get a second one!















And then a third one for good measure.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to the high unemployment rates, Koreans will further their educations during their downtimes. This results in many over-qualified searching for the same jobs.

Korea's diploma-mill universities are benefiting from this downturn yet help to increase consumer debt.

Many higher-degeed students here end up going house to house tutoring little Min Su or Young Mi to make ends meet, often stay living with their parents.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 27 percent of SNU doctoral degree holders jobless Reply with quote

slothrop wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/08/117_116790.html

this is quite shocking to me. i thought PHD's, even the ones that don't get jobs in their field or as profs, were highly sought after by companies and hired to do technical writing.


I don't find it shocking as much as definitive (in a broad, general sense) of the current generation (and not just in Korea) and their sense of (perceived/expected) entitlement to academic jobs based on academic credentials alone.

Most ABD/PhDs that I know (from past generations) never expected to go into academia as professors (although certainly enough of them ended up there). The majority of them expected to continue with their research in their chosen field(s) (largely in the private sector).

A few more of them hit the lecture circuit as presenters and specialists in their fields (after significant research and publications) and their university appointments (for those who have accepted them) are more based on their work rather than as teachers in their fields (jobs usually left to their post grad students).

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Nemo



Joined: 28 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhDs can be quite picky. They won't take any job "beneath" their education. They also have limited options as there are limited positions which require PhDs. Also, many have limited work experience.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has the highest % of university-educated people in the world.

Its hardly surprizing that many of them end up in jobs that are way beneath them.
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alwaysbeclosing100



Joined: 07 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:39 am    Post subject: Re Reply with quote

I bet the KAIST grad unemployment rate is much lower because they can actually do research and publish in English.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do what my girlfriend's best friend did. Have daddy pony up about 2 billion won and bam, tenure track position at a mid-level uni in Seoul as a 'business professor.'
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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would figure that a doctoral degree from the world's 124th-ranked university would mean something.


http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html
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slothrop



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the problem is probably that Korean universitoies rank so poorly internationally. If they can't find work in Korea the chances of their Korean degree opening doors abroad is very slim.
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eskeemo



Joined: 04 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a world-trend, unrelated to claims about "lack of quality" at Seoul University. Korea Times is simply late in reporting it. First time I read about American PhDs jobless upon graduation was a report in the Princeton Review about nuclear chemistry PhD recipients twelve years ago, in 2000! And, this is a STEM field. I have come across many articles since. The article OP posted shows that a quarter of SNU PhDs still take postdoctoral positions abroad. Quality of degree is as high as ever (and climbing internationally). Reality of the economy, unfortunately, is not. Important difference.
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