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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Come on now Hyeon In are you seriously calling circumcision "genital mutilation"??? |
I'd sure love to see you try to argue that it's a necessary procedure. |
It can be necessary in certain cases where things do not develop as they should. In such a case it becomes a corrective surgery to avoid problems down the line. I am not talking about mandatory circumcision regardless of medical condition. However, even in such a case, it is not mutilation in my opinion. The health benefits or drawbacks of it can be debated and they are being debated.
My sisters son had to have this surgery because the foreskin would not detach and it was creating chronic infections. Was that mutilation? |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Can I ask you guys a questions about the shots for the baby? Did you allow them to give your baby that shot where it leaves about 8-10 holes in a rectangular pattern in their arm that you see on all the Korean kids nowadays? Does it even go away? I don't want my baby branded like that. |
This is the new style (expensive.. 70,000won) BCG vaccination.
In the UK, at least when I was a young whippersnapper, they do a test at about the age of 12 years old to see whether you need a TB innoculation or not. I didn't need one because I was already immune to TB. In Korea it seems to be an innoculation given to you whether you need it or not at a very young age.
On the positive side, they didn't try to mutilate my son's johnson yet! |
They, whoever they may be, will try to do it as a middle school coming-of-age ritual. If ur son doesn't get it done, he'll probably be 왕따.
Dodge7, regarding the vaccinations: the shots, if they truly disappear, will look better than the lifelong scar I, and I assume the majority of Canadians the same age as me, have. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| Hyeon In wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Can I ask you guys a questions about the shots for the baby? Did you allow them to give your baby that shot where it leaves about 8-10 holes in a rectangular pattern in their arm that you see on all the Korean kids nowadays? Does it even go away? I don't want my baby branded like that. |
This is the new style (expensive.. 70,000won) BCG vaccination.
In the UK, at least when I was a young whippersnapper, they do a test at about the age of 12 years old to see whether you need a TB innoculation or not. I didn't need one because I was already immune to TB. In Korea it seems to be an innoculation given to you whether you need it or not at a very young age.
On the positive side, they didn't try to mutilate my son's johnson yet! |
They, whoever they may be, will try to do it as a middle school coming-of-age ritual. If ur son doesn't get it done, he'll probably be 왕따.
Dodge7, regarding the vaccinations: the shots, if they truly disappear, will look better than the lifelong scar I, and I assume the majority of Canadians the same age as me, have. |
I have to ask my parents what I had, because I don't have any scar whatsoever or these dents the K-kids have. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| denverdeath wrote: |
| Hyeon In wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Can I ask you guys a questions about the shots for the baby? Did you allow them to give your baby that shot where it leaves about 8-10 holes in a rectangular pattern in their arm that you see on all the Korean kids nowadays? Does it even go away? I don't want my baby branded like that. |
This is the new style (expensive.. 70,000won) BCG vaccination.
In the UK, at least when I was a young whippersnapper, they do a test at about the age of 12 years old to see whether you need a TB innoculation or not. I didn't need one because I was already immune to TB. In Korea it seems to be an innoculation given to you whether you need it or not at a very young age.
On the positive side, they didn't try to mutilate my son's johnson yet! |
They, whoever they may be, will try to do it as a middle school coming-of-age ritual. If ur son doesn't get it done, he'll probably be 왕따.
Dodge7, regarding the vaccinations: the shots, if they truly disappear, will look better than the lifelong scar I, and I assume the majority of Canadians the same age as me, have. |
I have to ask my parents what I had, because I don't have any scar whatsoever or these dents the K-kids have. |
guess it was smallpox, and i guess that also makes me quite old, neh?...
http://dyingbraincells.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/all-those-with-a-smallpox-vaccination-scar-raise-your-hand/ |
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dongjak
Joined: 30 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| What hospital did you deliver at? My hospital said it would cost around 1.3 million won for delivery, that is with national insurance. |
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logan2003
Joined: 20 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wow thats cheap..... We paid around the same amount for a c section.
My sister back in the states had to fork over a few times more than what we paid. (about the same as the OP) |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Come on now Hyeon In are you seriously calling circumcision "genital mutilation"??? |
I'd sure love to see you try to argue that it's a necessary procedure. |
It can be necessary in certain cases where things do not develop as they should. In such a case it becomes a corrective surgery to avoid problems down the line. I am not talking about mandatory circumcision regardless of medical condition. However, even in such a case, it is not mutilation in my opinion. The health benefits or drawbacks of it can be debated and they are being debated.
My sisters son had to have this surgery because the foreskin would not detach and it was creating chronic infections. Was that mutilation? |
Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Come on now Hyeon In are you seriously calling circumcision "genital mutilation"??? |
I'd sure love to see you try to argue that it's a necessary procedure. |
It can be necessary in certain cases where things do not develop as they should. In such a case it becomes a corrective surgery to avoid problems down the line. I am not talking about mandatory circumcision regardless of medical condition. However, even in such a case, it is not mutilation in my opinion. The health benefits or drawbacks of it can be debated and they are being debated.
My sisters son had to have this surgery because the foreskin would not detach and it was creating chronic infections. Was that mutilation? |
Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
When did I ever say it was ALWAYS necessary?? Thats just you twisting what I said.
They tried the treatments in my sister's sons case and they did not work.....so I guess for HIM it was NECESSARY.
Good christ.... |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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When did I ever say it was ALWAYS necessary?? Thats just you twisting what I said.
They tried the treatments in my sister's sons case and they did not work.....so I guess for HIM it was NECESSARY.
Good christ.... |
You're avoiding arguing the case. The argument was that it's genital mutilation when there's nothing wrong with the kid and he doesn't get the chance to chose. That's what you disagreed with so argue against that. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Come on now Hyeon In are you seriously calling circumcision "genital mutilation"??? |
I'd sure love to see you try to argue that it's a necessary procedure. |
It can be necessary in certain cases where things do not develop as they should. In such a case it becomes a corrective surgery to avoid problems down the line. I am not talking about mandatory circumcision regardless of medical condition. However, even in such a case, it is not mutilation in my opinion. The health benefits or drawbacks of it can be debated and they are being debated.
My sisters son had to have this surgery because the foreskin would not detach and it was creating chronic infections. Was that mutilation? |
Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
When did I ever say it was ALWAYS necessary?? Thats just you twisting what I said.
They tried the treatments in my sister's sons case and they did not work.....so I guess for HIM it was NECESSARY.
Good christ.... |
That's rich. You are the one who put words in my mouth. Where do I say it's never necessary?
Only in extreme cases, where treatment is unsuccessful, should it ever be performed. It's quite simple, it removes the most sensitive part of the *beep* and leads to a slew of other problems.
The procedure became popular in the English world in the late 1800's as a result the the Christian hysteria against masturbation. People actually thought back then that it caused disease. When that ridiculous notion was repudiated, those who were "pro-circumsion" started claiming that it was necessary for hygiene, which implies that people are too stupid to use soap. That equally fallacious (no pun intended) notion, however, stuck because doctors who still perform are unaware of the true intended purpose for the procedure (to numb the *beep* in the hopes it will prevent masturbation), nor its negative affects.
As for the reason why the procedure is popular in Korea...Hint: Only 5 percent of North Korean men are circumcised.
PS. The correct medical term was censored. That's weak. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Here your exact quote 12ax7
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Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
I did not put words in your mouth. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:43 am Post subject: |
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When did I ever say it was ALWAYS necessary?? Thats just you twisting what I said.
They tried the treatments in my sister's sons case and they did not work.....so I guess for HIM it was NECESSARY.
Good christ.... |
You're avoiding arguing the case. The argument was that it's genital mutilation when there's nothing wrong with the kid and he doesn't get the chance to chose. That's what you disagreed with so argue against that. |
If the kid has not been offered other treatment options or if nothing is actually wrong and the procedure is performed then it is a poor choice of treatment and bad medical practice. No argument there. It is not in my view " genital mutilation". I reserve that term for more barbaric procedures. I am just real hesitant to use such a loaded term as mutilation.
I am having a side debate on the fact that sometimes this particular procedure is the only option left.
Thats all I am saying and some of you are convinced this is mutilation, then so be it. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Here your exact quote 12ax7
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Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
I did not put words in your mouth. |
Not the same as saying that it's never necessary, is it? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
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Here your exact quote 12ax7
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Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
I did not put words in your mouth. |
Not the same as saying that it's never necessary, is it? |
Sorry but I really do not get what you are harping on about.
Now, you want to debate this more send me a pm.
Lets let the thread get back on topic (if possible) and discuss the costs of having a child in Korea. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
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Here your exact quote 12ax7
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Nope, maybe not even necessary in that case. There are treatments that detach the foreskin without removing it.
So, you haven't been able to prove that it's always necessary. |
I did not put words in your mouth. |
Not the same as saying that it's never necessary, is it? |
Sorry but I really do not get what you are harping on about.
Now, you want to debate this more send me a pm.
Lets let the thread get back on topic (if possible) and discuss the costs of having a child in Korea. |
Go back a few comments and see who discussed the topic first. You or me.
As for the cost of raising a kid in Korea, it's relative to the family's income. |
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