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djunamod



Joined: 16 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Teaching Korean Kids Reply with quote

Hi all,
I'm very new to teaching ESL, though I've been teaching English courses at American universities both on-ground and online for quite a few years. So I'm not new to teaching.

I will be starting to co-teach some classes for Korean students online in the fall and I was hoping to get some insights on what it's like to teach Korean students. I will be teaching elementary school level (not sure what ages yet) and also some high school students one-on-one.

I've never worked with kids or high school students before (the youngest I've worked with have been college freshmen at US universities) and never worked with Koreans before. So what can I expect?

How are Korean kids in terms of discipline? What else should I know when teaching them?

Thanks!

Djuna
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you like little kids ramming their fingers up your butt and laugh like it's some kind of joke. They're called ddong jjims and they are highly unpleasant. I went off on a kid before for doing it to me and that put a stop to it.
Also if you are a male you will have random (bad) boys cold cocking you right in your balls and think it's a joke. Just expect it.
In terms of discipline, there is NONE. They don't get it at home and they come to your class and it's goof around with the native teacher for an hour time. They don't take you seriously, you aren't a real teacher to them, and you aren't taken seriously and you are not respected. You will have kids banmal you which is highly disrespectful language and you will just have a generally unruly class.

Welcome to teaching in Korea. You excited?
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:

In terms of discipline, there is NONE. They don't get it at home and they come to your class and it's goof around


Koreans don't realize just how shocking this state of anarchy is to outsiders.

Instead they revel in an idea of themselves as the best parents in the world. They equate good parenting with letting your kids find their own boundaries.

A lot of these kids have twice the confidence I did at the same age. I would never have gotten away with the stuff they do.


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busanliving



Joined: 29 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly the ability to read isn't a requirement to teach English here. He said he would be teaching the classes online.

Discipline varies greatly, I assume though they will have a Korean teacher with them to take care of that side though?

Remember kids here study really hard, they are at school all day and academies at night, aside from looking exhausted all the time they also get bored easily so factor that in when planning lessons, make them as fun as you can.

Also don't expect much in the way of imagination or creativity, projects can be like pulling teeth at time, even with things such as imagine the world in 50 years
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
I hope you like little kids ramming their fingers up your butt and laugh like it's some kind of joke. They're called ddong jjims and they are highly unpleasant. I went off on a kid before for doing it to me and that put a stop to it.
Also if you are a male you will have random (bad) boys cold cocking you right in your balls and think it's a joke. Just expect it.
In terms of discipline, there is NONE. They don't get it at home and they come to your class and it's goof around with the native teacher for an hour time. They don't take you seriously, you aren't a real teacher to them, and you aren't taken seriously and you are not respected. You will have kids banmal you which is highly disrespectful language and you will just have a generally unruly class.

Welcome to teaching in Korea. You excited?


Complete and utter BS.

This poster is taking certain things that occur sometimes and presenting them as if they occur all the time. The reality of course of far different. OP, you should know dodge loves to troll threads created by new teachers, it allows him to vent his spleen. You can sadly bet some of his fellow trolls or whiners from the Daves peanut gallery will join him soon.

You want a version closer to reality, you will have to wait and hope others post in your thread.

The fact you said you will teach ONLINE was missed by Dodge in his hurry to puke all over your thread.

If you want advice about teaching young korean learners online, shoot me a pm. If you cannot pm yet, let me know here.

Good luck.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I hope you like little kids ramming their fingers up your butt and laugh like it's some kind of joke. They're called ddong jjims and they are highly unpleasant. I went off on a kid before for doing it to me and that put a stop to it.
Also if you are a male you will have random (bad) boys cold cocking you right in your balls and think it's a joke. Just expect it.
In terms of discipline, there is NONE. They don't get it at home and they come to your class and it's goof around with the native teacher for an hour time. They don't take you seriously, you aren't a real teacher to them, and you aren't taken seriously and you are not respected. You will have kids banmal you which is highly disrespectful language and you will just have a generally unruly class.

Welcome to teaching in Korea. You excited?


Complete and utter BS.

This poster is taking certain things that occur sometimes and presenting them as if they occur all the time. The reality of course of far different. OP, you should know dodge loves to troll threads created by new teachers, it allows him to vent his spleen. You can sadly bet some of his fellow trolls or whiners from the Daves peanut gallery will join him soon.

You want a version closer to reality, you will have to wait and hope others post in your thread.

The fact you said you will teach ONLINE was missed by Dodge in his hurry to puke all over your thread.

If you want advice about teaching young korean learners online, shoot me a pm. If you cannot pm yet, let me know here.

Good luck.

GH where did I say they "occur all the time?" I didn't. And as for your "troll" comment, I find that highly offensive. I take great joy in NOT being a troll but giving people the unadulterated truths about teaching in Korea--whether good or bad.
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JustinC



Joined: 10 Mar 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Teaching Korean Kids Reply with quote

djunamod wrote:
Hi all,
I'm very new to teaching ESL, though I've been teaching English courses at American universities both on-ground and online for quite a few years. So I'm not new to teaching.

I will be starting to co-teach some classes for Korean students online in the fall and I was hoping to get some insights on what it's like to teach Korean students. I will be teaching elementary school level (not sure what ages yet) and also some high school students one-on-one.

I've never worked with kids or high school students before (the youngest I've worked with have been college freshmen at US universities) and never worked with Koreans before. So what can I expect?

How are Korean kids in terms of discipline? What else should I know when teaching them?

Thanks!

Djuna


Are you teaching online? That's not something I've heard about, apart from privately. It's never going to be as efficient as in class but there are lots of threads here to give you some info.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
I hope you like little kids ramming their fingers up your butt and laugh like it's some kind of joke. They're called ddong jjims and they are highly unpleasant. I went off on a kid before for doing it to me and that put a stop to it.
Also if you are a male you will have random (bad) boys cold cocking you right in your balls and think it's a joke. Just expect it.
In terms of discipline, there is NONE. They don't get it at home and they come to your class and it's goof around with the native teacher for an hour time. They don't take you seriously, you aren't a real teacher to them, and you aren't taken seriously and you are not respected. You will have kids banmal you which is highly disrespectful language and you will just have a generally unruly class.

Welcome to teaching in Korea. You excited?


When it comes to discipline in the Korean school system, here's my take-

I've had the complete opposite experience. Some other teachers I know have experiences similar to mine, others have experiences similar to Dodge's.

It's hit and miss. It can come down to your principal or your co-teacher or even the individual who is doing the teaching. Yeah, occasionally kids try and torment the teacher. If anyone expected that to never happen, you must live in some fantasy land regarding children. On the other hand you might get a different problem- kids who are fine discipline wise, but are either disinterested or spend the class sleeping Bueller? Bueller? As a Uni Prof, you're probably familiar with the latter. I've known nice teachers and good people in bad situations. I've known bad teachers and bad people in good situations.

As for online, is it by e-mail? I did e-mail English and talk about an unstable racket. Is it by video chat? Again, unstable, schedules and commitments can sometimes drift up and down.

Is it part of some kind of pilot program? That might affect things. You might get some rather high-level students with a good level of commitment.

On the other hand, you might be little more than Oz's wizard. Simply presenting things and getting minimal feedback and participation, there only to make appearances and loud pronouncements.

In either case, discipline will likely be handled by whoever is on the, sigh, brick & mortar end of things. In which case it could be the crapshoot I mentioned above.

Since you are teaching at an American Uni, I absolutely have to recommend that you try and meet some Korean international students and get some advice and familiarity with them. I'm sure your Uni has a few. You'd probably be able to trade some proofreading on their essays for some Q&A and tips.

Are you Christian? If you really want to get first-hand, in the flesh experience interacting with Koreans in a group setting, and the area you live has a substantial Korean population, attend a service at a Korean church to get a sense of some of the cultural practices and mannerisms. These won't be entirely comparable to Koreans in Korea, but they it will make things easier.

As someone who was familiar with Koreans and teaching Koreans ESL BEFORE I came to Korea, I can't stress how much that prior experience has helped in preparing me for both good and bad things.

Hope that helps.
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Landros



Joined: 19 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: kkkk Reply with quote

one thing you should know is most high school kids are only preparing for university entrance exams. They are multiple choice and so they often only care about raising their English score. Meaning if what you are teaching them isn't really interesting or going to affect their score they and their parents will feel they are wasting their time.

For the younger kids they are competing for grades and prestige to be ranked in their class. so if you are teaching Koreans it is good to know that often they will never use English except on some poorly designed translation test to get ahead of some other Korean.

Therefore many directions you go won't make sense to your students since you might be thinking about helping them fit into America or to communicate but often they only care about the "Right" answer.

Oh another funny situation I have noticed is the indirect questioning. A student will hear from someone that something can't be done in English and instead of explaining what they heard they will often ask you the opposite to check it. For instance a student hears "In English you can't say We has". Then a student will ask you something weird like is it okay to have a plural subject with a plural verb? and as you try to answer and figure out what they are talking about they will just give you hints. Like " No I mean what about using "We". and then finally they will say can I use "We has" and after racking your brain and trying to find some possible case after spending 15 minutes they will say oh I knew that and just wanted to make sure...
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching Korean Kids Reply with quote

djunamod wrote:
Hi all,
I'm very new to teaching ESL, though I've been teaching English courses at American universities both on-ground and online for quite a few years. So I'm not new to teaching.

I will be starting to co-teach some classes for Korean students online in the fall and I was hoping to get some insights on what it's like to teach Korean students. I will be teaching elementary school level (not sure what ages yet) and also some high school students one-on-one.

I've never worked with kids or high school students before (the youngest I've worked with have been college freshmen at US universities) and never worked with Koreans before. So what can I expect?

How are Korean kids in terms of discipline? What else should I know when teaching them?

Thanks!

Djuna


My only advice is to ignore what Dodge7 says about anything. He is relentlessly negative about everything in life.
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Keeper



Joined: 11 Jun 2012

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you worried about discipline when you are teaching them online? Are you talking about will they do their homework and be prepared? That's a mixed bag from what I've seen. Some do it and others don't. Kids are kids.
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J Rock



Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Location: The center of the Earth, Suji

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I hope you like little kids ramming their fingers up your butt and laugh like it's some kind of joke. They're called ddong jjims and they are highly unpleasant. I went off on a kid before for doing it to me and that put a stop to it.
Also if you are a male you will have random (bad) boys cold cocking you right in your balls and think it's a joke. Just expect it.
In terms of discipline, there is NONE. They don't get it at home and they come to your class and it's goof around with the native teacher for an hour time. They don't take you seriously, you aren't a real teacher to them, and you aren't taken seriously and you are not respected. You will have kids banmal you which is highly disrespectful language and you will just have a generally unruly class.

Welcome to teaching in Korea. You excited?


Complete and utter BS.

This poster is taking certain things that occur sometimes and presenting them as if they occur all the time. The reality of course of far different. OP, you should know dodge loves to troll threads created by new teachers, it allows him to vent his spleen. You can sadly bet some of his fellow trolls or whiners from the Daves peanut gallery will join him soon.

You want a version closer to reality, you will have to wait and hope others post in your thread.

The fact you said you will teach ONLINE was missed by Dodge in his hurry to puke all over your thread.

If you want advice about teaching young korean learners online, shoot me a pm. If you cannot pm yet, let me know here.

Good luck.


+1. Dodge7 is starting to lose it. Everything he posts is about how bad his life is and how he hates Korea. Dodge, does your wife beat the crap out of you when you get home from your horrible job, then cooks you a horrible dinner, then you get a horrible nights sleep? You should try to get your hands on some drugs or something! Maybe that would help.
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