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Mint

Joined: 08 May 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: F2 and G/EPIK |
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Good afternoon all.
I taught in South Korea from 2008/10. I've been working here making more money, less vacation, etc. I also married a Korean woman here in Chicago. We both realize that money isn't what makes life meaningful, and I would prefer to spend my time teaching and interacting with students than what I'm doing now.
I am very seriously considering dropping my gig here and going back to teach. I however, can get an F2 visa this time around.
My plan is to land a public school job for a year and network, eventually moving most of my income to privates.
Does anybody have any experience getting a public school job with an F2? Or do most of you work the private angle? Do you think schools prefer E2s due to the higher bar through which we must jump [CBC, etc.] or will they view them equally?
Thanks in advance,
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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It's F6 now. And I believe they are making people apply from outside the country now. I don't know. It's been a long time since I had to apply.
You can surely work for a public school, but you'll probably have the same problem myself and every other F6 person has. They just don't pay enough. They are the lowest paying job in Korea. Really a place for newbs. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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And even on an F2/4/5/6 NOW you still need to jump though the same hoops if you want to be a teacher but for the MOE instead of immigration.
(degree with apostille, FBI check with apostille, medical with drug screen).
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Mint

Joined: 08 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the updates.
Good to know I'll still need to gather those documents, I assume it still takes weeks to months to get the CBC from the FBI.
My wife is a naturalized American citizen, but she goes back and forth to and from Korea on her F2. I guess I'll have to talk to immi about how to get one for myself, perhaps have her parents sponsor mine.
It also looks like I'll have to have my F2 in hand before they will grant me an F6. I assume it can be upgraded to F6 when the F2 expires instead of just renewing an F2?
Cheers. |
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Mint

Joined: 08 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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You can surely work for a public school, but you'll probably have the same problem myself and every other F6 person has. They just don't pay enough. They are the lowest paying job in Korea. Really a place for newbs. |
Tutoring/small business then? Nobody I met in Korea had anything other than an E1 or E2. |
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john110375
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Mint"]Thanks for the updates.
Good to know I'll still need to gather those documents, I assume it still takes weeks to months to get the CBC from the FBI.
My wife is a naturalized American citizen, but she goes back and forth to and from Korea on her F2. I guess I'll have to talk to immi about how to get one for myself, perhaps have her parents sponsor mine.
It also looks like I'll have to have my F2 in hand before they will grant me an F6. I assume it can be upgraded to F6 when the F2 expires instead of just renewing an F2?
Cheers.[/quote]
If she was naturalized she most likely has an F-4 visa. She can't sponsor your F-6 on that visa. You'll get an F-1 but you can't work on that visa.  |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I don't think this guy has any idea what he is talking about. I mean how could you have gotten an F2 when his wife is F4? And why would he get F2 before F6?
And finally, contrary to what you might think, people on E2 are the minority here. It's been a while since I looked at the statistics, but if you add up the F2/F4/F5/F6 visas they outnumber the E2 guys by a factor of 3:1. Most of the people I work with and see everyday are F6 or F4. If you work at a slave-won then yeah the only people you are going to see are E2, I suppose. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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And finally, contrary to what you might think, people on E2 are the minority here. It's been a while since I looked at the statistics, but if you add up the F2/F4/F5/F6 visas they outnumber the E2 guys by a factor of 3:1. Most of the people I work with and see everyday are F6 or F4. If you work at a slave-won then yeah the only people you are going to see are E2, I suppose. |
It has been awhile, the pure F2/F6 numbers mostly cover a lot of SE asian brides.
The actual number of F2/F6s held by those from western countries is a very tiny percentage of the overall numbers. Last I saw it, it was only like 1,200-1,500.
A lot of people who get married move back home.
The number of F5s in the country is trivial, and again a lot taken up by long term SE asian brides.
The only thing significant is the F4 visa holders, and not all of them are teaching English.
Last I saw there were around 30,000 E1/2s, and you might get exactly 3:1 by including every gyopo out there, but I doubt there are 85,000 gyopos out there teaching English.
But they don't really have a record of it. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Her parents can't sponsor your F visa either, unless you marry her mom or something. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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alongway wrote: |
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And finally, contrary to what you might think, people on E2 are the minority here. It's been a while since I looked at the statistics, but if you add up the F2/F4/F5/F6 visas they outnumber the E2 guys by a factor of 3:1. Most of the people I work with and see everyday are F6 or F4. If you work at a slave-won then yeah the only people you are going to see are E2, I suppose. |
It has been awhile, the pure F2/F6 numbers mostly cover a lot of SE asian brides.
The actual number of F2/F6s held by those from western countries is a very tiny percentage of the overall numbers. Last I saw it, it was only like 1,200-1,500.
A lot of people who get married move back home.
The number of F5s in the country is trivial, and again a lot taken up by long term SE asian brides.
The only thing significant is the F4 visa holders, and not all of them are teaching English.
Last I saw there were around 30,000 E1/2s, and you might get exactly 3:1 by including every gyopo out there, but I doubt there are 85,000 gyopos out there teaching English.
But they don't really have a record of it. |
The statistics are here: http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
So this is what I've gathered . I'm only counting people from the five main English-speaking countries. (USA CAN AUS NZD ENG)
Spouse-visa people (F6,F1): 4,480
Gyopos or Dual-citizens (F4): 60,540
Foreigners (E2): 18,977 (2009)
Unfortunately the government hasn't put out a solid number for E2 people since 2009, but there is clearly a trend in the air. If you look at the comings and goings of Incheon airport it shows that less E2 people are landing at the airport. The number is down 10% from last year. Meanwhile those with F6,F4,F5 have been increasing. Here's some more data that shows the number of residents growing.
2009
Spouse-visa people (F6): 3,013 (2009)
Gyopo: 46,086 (2010)
At the present time residents outnumber E2ers by 3:1 and it is entirely possible that the number of E2ers will continue to decline until the market is dominated by those with residence status. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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viciousdinosaur wrote: |
alongway wrote: |
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And finally, contrary to what you might think, people on E2 are the minority here. It's been a while since I looked at the statistics, but if you add up the F2/F4/F5/F6 visas they outnumber the E2 guys by a factor of 3:1. Most of the people I work with and see everyday are F6 or F4. If you work at a slave-won then yeah the only people you are going to see are E2, I suppose. |
It has been awhile, the pure F2/F6 numbers mostly cover a lot of SE asian brides.
The actual number of F2/F6s held by those from western countries is a very tiny percentage of the overall numbers. Last I saw it, it was only like 1,200-1,500.
A lot of people who get married move back home.
The number of F5s in the country is trivial, and again a lot taken up by long term SE asian brides.
The only thing significant is the F4 visa holders, and not all of them are teaching English.
Last I saw there were around 30,000 E1/2s, and you might get exactly 3:1 by including every gyopo out there, but I doubt there are 85,000 gyopos out there teaching English.
But they don't really have a record of it. |
The statistics are here: http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
So this is what I've gathered . I'm only counting people from the five main English-speaking countries. (USA CAN AUS NZD ENG)
Spouse-visa people (F6,F1): 4,480
Gyopos or Dual-citizens (F4): 60,540
Foreigners (E2): 18,977 (2009)
Unfortunately the government hasn't put out a solid number for E2 people since 2009, but there is clearly a trend in the air. If you look at the comings and goings of Incheon airport it shows that less E2 people are landing at the airport. The number is down 10% from last year. Meanwhile those with F6,F4,F5 have been increasing. Here's some more data that shows the number of residents growing.
2009
Spouse-visa people (F6): 3,013 (2009)
Gyopo: 46,086 (2010)
At the present time residents outnumber E2ers by 3:1 and it is entirely possible that the number of E2ers will continue to decline until the market is dominated by those with residence status. |
Only barely and only if all of those gyopos are teaching english. We know the E2s are here to teach english, we have no idea how many of the F2/4/5/6s are here actually teaching English. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well I'm sure many of the F4s work as supervisors and managers at schools and recruiting offices. Does that count?
I'm willing to bet 99% of F4s and F6s work in the education field. But is there any data on that? No there isn't. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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viciousdinosaur wrote: |
Well I'm sure many of the F4s work as supervisors and managers at schools and recruiting offices. Does that count?
I'm willing to bet 99% of F4s and F6s work in the education field. But is there any data on that? No there isn't. |
Given what I've seen out of you around here, I wouldn't put any stock in that, I'd seriously doubt if they were. There is also a big difference between recruiters and people working as teachers, which was the initial claim. you can't compare the number of recruiters to people here on E2s, E2s are only teachers and nothing else. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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I've never worked in the education field, whether here in Korea or back home. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Drew10 wrote: |
I've never worked in the education field, whether here in Korea or back home. |
Congratulations 1%er |
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