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[jeronimoski]

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020526&slug=koreabirths26

They don't pay taxes in the US. They get a free US passport for their future little moneybag prince/princess. In the future, said moneybag will not have to pay international tuition costs like the rest of the REAL international students.

American immigration laws need to change.

[mayorgc]

To play devil's advocate here: These babies don't actually drain any resources from the American system.

The women show up in the states, pay for everything and then leave. There's a chance they might not even step foot in the U.S ever again.

On the surface, it doesn't look great, but in this Korean situation, it doesn't seem to be hurting anyone.

[SMOE NSET]

The article is from 2002.

Since then laws, from both the U.S. and Korea, have been written to stop the mothers from doing this. It still happens but the perks aren't nearly as good.

The main one is the Korean males still have to do their military service.

[jeronimoski]

http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/10/28/8511587-born-in-the-usa-birth-tourists-get-instant-us-citizenship-for-their-newborns?lite

This is from 2011. The laws still haven't changed enough. It has a negative impact "...because it paves the way for easy access to American public schools, universities and jobs as the children get older and green cards for the whole family once the child turns 21."

[Son Deureo!]

Maybe so, but there are far worse things than having a lot of upper-class educated immigrant families from Korea and China going to settle in the US so that their kids can get an American education. It may not be what the US government had in mind when they passed the 14th amendment guaranteeing US citizenship to anyone born in the US, but I think the benefits to the US could ultimately outweigh the costs.

Even if this weren't a fully win-win situation, it would not be worth it to undermine the 14th amendment to prevent the still fairly small number wealthy maternity tourists from obtaining dual citizenship for their kids.

[s.tickbeat]

Having access to American jobs and schools isn't nearly as alluring a prospect now as it was a few years ago.

I'm not sure how this is a bad thing.

[mayorgc]

[jeronimoski]

Depends on the view. If they get in-state tuition, then they pay less than they should. That is less money that a public university earns. That has an impact on tuition costs. Where does the money come from for public universities?

The child now has free access in and out of the US without paying for a visa. It also gives them the right to apply for government-sponsored financial aid for education. (More free money.) The price of university tuition is 3/4 times lower than other internation students. That's a lot of money.

They also get access to Social Security benefits if they work for only 10 years in the US. They can also sponsor his/her future husband/wife and children to obtain permanent status in the US.

They have access to security clearances. They are eligible for government grants and are exempt from export restrictions if they do business.

They can make financial contributions to federal and state election campaigns.

[mayorgc]

[Son Deureo!]

Plus, it generally takes more than a U.S. passport to qualify for in-state tuition at a university. You have to establish residency in the state the university is located in. I don't know the rules for all 50 states, but at least in New York and Ohio where I grew up and went to university (respectively) you'd have to maintain an address fulfill other criteria (hold down a job, pay taxes, be registered to vote, have a drivers license, etc.) establishing residency in that state for at least a year prior to applying for admission to a state university as an in-state student.

Sorry, I'm just not seeing a drain to the American taxpayer that's a serious enough problem to warrant amending the U.S. constitution.

[ttompatz]

Approximately 350 million Americans.

A couple thousand corner cutters (I'll be generous 35,000) - all from the money class (the others can't afford to get to the States or afford the birthing costs). 0.01% or 1/1000.

The infant mortality rate in American is 7 times higher than that and
the birth rate is about 13/1000 (4.1 million per year).

Looks like rednecks moaning and pissing into the wind over nothing.

Solution, burn the constitution.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

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[jeronimoski]

[Steelrails]

[ttompatz]

So 8000 out of 4.1 million (less than 1/4 of my more generous number in the previous post), and what is to say they won't become productive US citizens (like your forebears) ... since they must have money or they wouldn't be in the US.

Would you prefer an additional 8000 hillbillys from the Blue Ridge Mountains who statistically have just about no chance of getting above the poverty level and will always be a drain on society? You would prefer trailer trash from the great state of Texas?

Rednecks or Republicans (not much difference between the two in my way of thinking) pissing into the wind over nothing.

Let's just burn the constitution and be done with it. Problem solved.

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[Koharski]