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viciousdinosaur



Joined: 30 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Canadians more likely to get married here Reply with quote

I'm someone who loves statistics. I was looking at the numbers and I came across this interesting fact. Canadians are more likely to marry Koreans than other foreigners here.

Total non-Gyopo : 37,156
American: 23,244 62%
Canadian: 6,276 16.8%
British: 4,780 12.8%
Australian: 1,814 4.8%
New Zealand: 1,042 2.8%

Total non-Gyopo married 4,840
American: 2,525 52%
Canadian: 1,187 24.5%
British: 592 12.2%
Australia: 314 6.4%
New Zealand: 222 4.5%

Now I'll let you debate why this is, but I have on theory. Since there are such a large number of American Gyopos here, it's likely that many Americans choose to marry someone from their country as opposed to a local.

Here's the data of Gyopos here.

Total Gyopo 60,540
American: 42,934 71%
Canadian: 12,266 20%
British: 251 0.4%
Australia: 3,492 5.7%
New Zealand: 1,597 2.6%
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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Canadians more likely to get married here Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:
I'm someone who loves statistics. I was looking at the numbers and I came across this interesting fact. Canadians are more likely to marry Koreans than other foreigners here.

Total non-Gyopo : 37,156
American: 23,244 62%
Canadian: 6,276 16.8%
British: 4,780 12.8%
Australian: 1,814 4.8%
New Zealand: 1,042 2.8%

Total non-Gyopo married 4,840
American: 2,525 52%
Canadian: 1,187 24.5%
British: 592 12.2%
Australia: 314 6.4%
New Zealand: 222 4.5%

Now I'll let you debate why this is, but I have on theory. Since there are such a large number of American Gyopos here, it's likely that many Americans choose to marry someone from their country as opposed to a local.

Here's the data of Gyopos here.

Total Gyopo 60,540
American: 42,934 71%
Canadian: 12,266 20%
British: 251 0.4%
Australia: 3,492 5.7%
New Zealand: 1,597 2.6%


Where did you get these numbers?

Also, statistics isn't my strong suit, but going by the above, it seems like the are more Americans than Canadians that marry here.

Btw, I assume you're talking specifically about people on teaching visas. There are WAAAY more Chinese and nationals from other Asian countries that are married to Koreans.

Sorry if I mis-read any of your post.
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viciousdinosaur



Joined: 30 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems it needs some explanation.

Americans make up 62% of foreigners working here in the country, but only 52% of those married to a Korean. This is excluding Gyopos, dual-citizens, and people from non-English-speaking countries. Canadians make up 17% of foreigners, but 25% of those married to Koreans.

These numbers are from the Korean Immigration website and are current to this year.


Another interesting fact. There are more Koreans living in the UK than NZ, but there are 1,597 Korean-Kiwis here and only 251 Korean-Brits.

Here are those statistics.

As a percentage of Overseas Koreans

US : 31%
CAN : 3.2%
UK: 0.6%
AUS: 2.2%
NZ: 0.5%

Looking at this we can see that Korean-Canadians are much more likely than other groups to be living in Korea as they make up 3.2% of overseas Koreans, but 20% of those living in South Korea.

Maybe the big question here is why does Canada have such a strong presence in SK? We have 1/10th the population of the US, yet we make up 17% of foreigners here compared to the US's 62%. A 1:3 ratio. Canada also has a tenth of the number of Koreans, but it's 20% vs 71%. Not even close to 10:1. More like 3.5:1

I honestly don't know. It can't be employer preference because Gyopos sponsor themselves. So it seems it's self-selective. Youth unemployment and unemployment in general is lower in Canada than the US. Plus there's free health-care and stronger welfare. It has to be some other factor. Maybe the biggest push to come to Korea is just being bored or the cold weather.
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The Cosmic Hum



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Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Canadians more likely to get married here Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:
I'm someone who loves trolling...


There are three kinds of trolls
1- Trolls
2- Damned Trolls
3- Statistic loving Trolls

Cool
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Lazio



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:
It seems it needs some explanation.

Americans make up 62% of foreigners working here in the country, but only 52% of those married to a Korean. This is excluding Gyopos, dual-citizens, and people from non-English-speaking countries. Canadians make up 17% of foreigners, but 25% of those married to Koreans.


Hold on, your interpretation on these statistics is completely wrong.

10,8% of Americans in Korea are married to Koreans
18,9% of Canadians in Korea are married to Koreans
17,3% of Australians in Korea are married to Koreans
12,3% of Brits in Korea are married to Koreans
21,3% of Kiwis in Korea are married to Koreans
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viciousdinosaur



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lazio wrote:
viciousdinosaur wrote:
It seems it needs some explanation.

Americans make up 62% of foreigners working here in the country, but only 52% of those married to a Korean. This is excluding Gyopos, dual-citizens, and people from non-English-speaking countries. Canadians make up 17% of foreigners, but 25% of those married to Koreans.


Hold on, your interpretation on these statistics is completely wrong.

10,8% of Americans in Korea are married to Koreans
18,9% of Canadians in Korea are married to Koreans
17,3% of Australians in Korea are married to Koreans
12,3% of Brits in Korea are married to Koreans
21,3% of Kiwis in Korea are married to Koreans


Why are they wrong? Is it so hard to believe 1/10 non-Korean Americans here are on F6? There's a whole industry outside of hagwons employing almost exclusively those on F-visas. If you lump all Americans together, teachers, spouses, and gyopos, then that's 80,000 Americans of which spouses are 2,525, that's about 3%. Someone working in a hagwon usually works with a mix of people on F4, E2, so to them F6 seems rare. Anyways if you don't believe me check the statistics for yourself. They are on the immigration website for all to see. And if you want further proof, poll the Dave's ESL community and I bet you get a ratio that is close to 53% / 44% / 3% (Gyopo / E2 / F6)
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting list of stats.

Now unless you take it further and actually try to find a study that explains why one group of foreign nationals marries locals more often it will remain wide open to speculation, opinion and bar stool talk.

Which is fine and entertaining anyway.
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goreality



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said Canadians are the mostly likely to marry here. But Lazio pointed out that actually Kiwis are more likely to get married. This throws a spanner into your theory. (21.3>18.9)
Joe Boxer also pointed out that although you use the word foreigners you only include typical E2 visa countries.

I would not hasten to guess that several Asian countries have a much higher rate of marrying Koreans. There are countries where virtually every woman living in Korea is married to a foreigner.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/korea/2011/02/08/290266/Chinese-make.htm
Quote:
According to Statistics Korea, a total of 11,364 Chinese women married Korean men in 2009, while 7,249 Vietnamese and 1,643 Filipina women walked down the aisle with Korean men in the same year.

They were followed by Japanese, Cambodian, Thai, American and Mongolian wives, numbering 1,140, 851, 496, 416 and 386 people, respectively, the state-run statistics agency said.

The number of international marriages, especially between Korean men and Chinese women, has been on the rise for years, jumping from 4,710 in 1990 to 42,356 in 2005.

It doesn't provide enough information to provide percentages....but I wouldn't be surprised if most of these countries listed have a higher percent of foreigners married to Koreans than Canadians.
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viciousdinosaur



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I just thought of something. It seems obvious now. Why are marriage rates high for all countries except the US? Well, it could be because there is a hiring preference for Americans, so non-Americans are looking for a competitive edge.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:
Actually I just thought of something. It seems obvious now. Why are marriage rates high for all countries except the US? Well, it could be because there is a hiring preference for Americans, so non-Americans are looking for a competitive edge.

According to your stats, Kiwis are the most likely to marry Koreans.
But wait... A non-American wants to become more competitive to an American (who share the top hiring preference with Canadians), so they marry a Korean? LOL! Canadians are also highly preferred and are also highly likely to marry Koreans. Dig deeper.

How about the fact that it's much much harder for a Korean to obtain US citizenship than that of other countries?
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viciousdinosaur



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:


How about the fact that it's much much harder for a Korean to obtain US citizenship than that of other countries?


An interesting idea, but are you saying a Korean would choose not to marry the person they loved because they know they will struggle more to get US citizenship after marrying?

Wait a second. There might be something to this. My sister-in-law married an American. They live in the US and want to come back but can't because legally she'd have to start the path to citizenship process all over again and it can take years. There is a definite incentive for married couples to stay in the US.
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rainman3277



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:
Actually I just thought of something. It seems obvious now. Why are marriage rates high for all countries except the US? Well, it could be because there is a hiring preference for Americans, so non-Americans are looking for a competitive edge.


I hope you meant to say 'Americas' and don't think US are prefered over Canadians, but sadly I don't think so. I'd agree there is some ridiculous bias towards N.American accent by some, but even that is negligible.
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northway



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to pretend this wasn't debunked and blame it on Maritimer escapism.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
I'm going to pretend this wasn't debunked and blame it on Maritimer escapism.


Yeah, how many Canadians in Korea are maritimers?

Basically for you non Canadians, the martime provinces are the four eastern provinces along the Atlantic Ocean or New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador. They are quite poor compared to the rest of Canada which actually has quite a strong economy, especially east of Ontario. Alberta has a 4 % unemployment rate because they have strong free enterprise policies and oil. The east coast (which Newfoundland also has oil offshore) has high unemployment because of high taxes and this mentality that whichever political party is in power must give lots of jobs to their friends and spend money like drunken sailors. It doesn't help that many folks hold out their hand and say "gimme, gimme, gimme". Socialism at it's worst basically. Great to have free health care and all that, but if you have no job and, by default, no purpose in life, it's kind of hard to stick around and enjoy it.

It's a poor region. Around 40% of these provinces budgets are money given to them from the federal government. Without this money, this region would be like Mexico. The extra money from the federal government masks that it is truly the poorest part of North America and certaintly much poorer than Korea or many Asian economies.

Evidently, the country to our south seems to increasingly want to become another maritimes by trying to implement the same stupid policies.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record, I'm a maritimer. So, I can criticize the region having experienced it's lack of hope personally. Thank you very much "Equal Opportunity!"
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