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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| A couple of my friends back home went clubbing and they played the song. They didn't mention the reactions of people or anything though. Either way it seems there actually is a modicum of momentum behind this song. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Its cool that its PSY, a bit chubby and older, not some slick young copy each other boy band. He did everything in the video, including that dance, which is a good lesson that kids should be creative.
Run to that creativity hagwon, kids, after piano, english, math, art..... |
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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| happiness wrote: |
Its cool that its PSY, a bit chubby and older, not some slick young copy each other boy band. He did everything in the video, including that dance, which is a good lesson that kids should be creative.
Run to that creativity hagwon, kids, after piano, english, math, art..... |
my friends and i got bored. hope you enjoy the MV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Is-UHUGq4&feature=channel&list=UL |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys should do a quick search on the popularity of Kpop. It's no joke. And it's not just Kpop, it's the dramas and now the variety shows too. Korean culture's spreading all over the world, even in countries like Iran. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| You guys should do a quick search on the popularity of Kpop. It's no joke. And it's not just Kpop, it's the dramas and now the variety shows too. Korean culture's spreading all over the world, even in countries like Iran. |
Yes, this stuff is spreading. But let's not be silly. It's not "Korean culture". It's Koreans doing American Culture.
Now, if traditional Korean music, art, dress and drama (which I have a great amount of respect for) were to spread, then you could say "Korean culture's spreading all over the world." |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, this stuff is spreading. But let's not be silly. It's not "Korean culture". It's Koreans doing American Culture.
Now, if traditional Korean music, art, dress and drama (which I have a great amount of respect for) were to spread, then you could say "Korean culture's spreading all over the world." |
Nonsense. America is the most culturally bereft country in the world. What is the American national dish? Hamburgers from Germany? American traditional music? Blues from Africa? The claim that today's entertainment culture originated and is formed only by American culture is BS. |
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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| mike1two wrote: |
| You guys should do a quick search on the popularity of Kpop. It's no joke. And it's not just Kpop, it's the dramas and now the variety shows too. Korean culture's spreading all over the world, even in countries like Iran. |
Yes, this stuff is spreading. But let's not be silly. It's not "Korean culture". It's Koreans doing American Culture.
Now, if traditional Korean music, art, dress and drama (which I have a great amount of respect for) were to spread, then you could say "Korean culture's spreading all over the world." |
I really don't think KDramas are Koreans doing American Culture. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know. To my deep shock, I recently met two hispanic American tourists (from North Carolina) who are deeply fixated on Kpop. According to them, it is actually starting to become a trend among American teenagers. |
"Trend?"
You're insane. Mainstream American kids laugh at kpop and make fun of it judging from the reaction videos I saw on Youtube.
Nice troll attempt. |
Ever seen clips from Kpop concerts in the States? Lots of non-Asians in the crowd singing along to Kpop songs. |
Ever seen clips of Japanese punk bands playing in the US in the 80's and early 90's? The demographic makeup of the audience didn't change the fact that it was a very small niche.
Will K-pop ever gain widespread popularity in the US? It would be interesting if it did happen (I'm all for multiculturalism), but the groups don't seem to think so.
Should Boa's, the Wonder Girls', and Girl Generation's English language albums be considered K-pop? I would argue that they aren't for the simple reason that the songs aren't in Korean. This suggests that the artists don't think they can make it in an English speaking market if they don't record an English album.
Oh, go ahead, try to argue that K-pop is a distinct musical genre, but the fact remains that without Korean lyrics, it just synthpop. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Should Boa's, the Wonder Girls', and Girl Generation's English language albums be considered K-pop? I would argue that they aren't for the simple reason that the songs aren't in Korean. This suggests that the artists don't think they can make it in an English speaking market if they don't record an English album.
Oh, go ahead, try to argue that K-pop is a distinct musical genre, but the fact remains that without Korean lyrics, it just synthpop. |
Who said K-pop was a genre? It's pop music (genre) from Korea. Therefore they call it K-pop. Did someone claim they've invented a whole new genre of music? |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Should Boa's, the Wonder Girls', and Girl Generation's English language albums be considered K-pop? I would argue that they aren't for the simple reason that the songs aren't in Korean. This suggests that the artists don't think they can make it in an English speaking market if they don't record an English album.
Oh, go ahead, try to argue that K-pop is a distinct musical genre, but the fact remains that without Korean lyrics, it just synthpop. |
Who said K-pop was a genre? It's pop music (genre) from Korea. Therefore they call it K-pop. Did someone claim they've invented a whole new genre of music? |
Not disagreeing with you. But...
Is it still from Korea/K-pop if the lyrics, the song writer, the producer, and the studio are not Korean?
If one is to apply similar criteria as the MAPL to determine if it is Korean content, then it isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#How_the_MAPL_system_works
In any case, the person/people who edited the Wiki page on K-pop sure seems to think it is a genre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-pop
I'm not convinced that's the right way to describe it because it follows the trends in pop music around the world, and so it's in constant evolution. Not all K-pop acts play the same genre of music. Right now, one of the dominant pop music genres around the world is synthpop, so that's what many of the most popular K-pop acts are producing.
Long story short, K-pop artists can make it in the US, but the consensus seems to be that they should lose what makes their act truly Korean: their own language. We'll have to see what happens, but it appears that Psy, once again, proves people wrong about what a successful K-pop act should be. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I think Korea has a very distinct TV and film culture - for example, the predilection they have for mashing genres together, or the very Korean notion of melodrama (which I can't stand), or their take on the variety show (shouting, quadruple repetitions of shouting, sitting around telling each other sad stories etc).
I find their movies fascinating in their construction (even if I often find the stories themselves very meh) and they've made some great stuff in that field, but I can't stand their TV, at least the surface of it that I can understand. But I don't expect to fall in love with it just because I understand WHY some girl is crying for the fifteenth time in 35 minutes. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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I think Korea has a very distinct TV and film culture - for example, the predilection they have for mashing genres together, or the very Korean notion of melodrama (which I can't stand), or their take on the variety show (shouting, quadruple repetitions of shouting, sitting around telling each other sad stories etc).
I find their movies fascinating in their construction (even if I often find the stories themselves very meh) and they've made some great stuff in that field, but I can't stand their TV, at least the surface of it that I can understand. But I don't expect to fall in love with it just because I understand WHY some girl is crying for the fifteenth time in 35 minutes. |
Yes, definitely. Good movies, even great ones, but the TV shows...Low budget and formulaic, especially the dramas (screaming isn't dramatic, it's annoying).
One thing, though...Gotta respect the hosts of those variety shows. Damn, those guys are workhorses. Just imagine the amount of pressure they must be on, appearing on so many shows in a week...Heck, even in a day in some cases. And I hear some do morning talk radio, too. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Not disagreeing with you. But...
Is it still from Korea/K-pop if the lyrics, the song writer, the producer, and the studio are not Korean?
If one is to apply similar criteria as the MAPL to determine if it is Korean content, then it isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#How_the_MAPL_system_works
In any case, the person/people who edited the Wiki page on K-pop sure seems to think it is a genre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-pop
I'm not convinced that's the right way to describe it because it follows the trends in pop music around the world, and so it's in constant evolution. Not all K-pop acts play the same genre of music. Right now, one of the dominant pop music genres around the world is synthpop, so that's what many of the most popular K-pop acts are producing.
Long story short, K-pop artists can make it in the US, but the consensus seems to be that they should lose what makes their act truly Korean: their own language. We'll have to see what happens, but it appears that Psy, once again, proves people wrong about what a successful K-pop act should be. |
Interesting post. I think the genre angle is quite interesting. I would say K-pop is when a Korean group is performing the song, but that's a pretty loose definition that could be debated indefinitely. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys should do a quick search on the popularity of Kpop. It's no joke. And it's not just Kpop, it's the dramas and now the variety shows too. Korean culture's spreading all over the world, even in countries like Iran. |
Yes, this stuff is spreading. But let's not be silly. It's not "Korean culture". It's Koreans doing American Culture. |
Disagree with this analysis.
It's deeply Korean culture and a signature thing. I've talked to US producers who have worked on the stuff (writers/mixers) who found it much more developed than US pop. And the artists to be much harder workers. The attitude is very Korean; fun, light, airy. And the sonic signature is super-digital, squeaky clean, shiny. Different from Western pop.
That's one the reasons you don't have certain music crossing over East/West. The local music feels like the people feel. Kpop is fun and light because that's how Koreans like to be...they don't understand Radiohead!!! Yet in the West they can't understand why the Korean music is so happy, it seems naive to them. That�s why when you see a K-Girl trying to cross over into the US she�s always trying to do an angry/aggressive/strong act, wear black and tell people where to stick it. But the cross over doesn�t work because it�s not sincere, just imitating the way a different culture feels that she doesn't understand. So I don't see any huge crossover into the West happening. |
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