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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Air rifle...Seems weird because for me, that's a kid's game. I used to shoot air rifles as a kid, would repeatedly hit a target the size of a dime at over 50 meters, which is essentially what they do (I think their targets are the size of a quarter, though). |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
But that would be more entertaining.. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
You're missing my point, which is that if a kid can do it very well without any training, is it really worthy of being an Olympic sport? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
You're missing my point, which is that if a kid can do it very well without any training, is it really worthy of being an Olympic sport? |
Yeah, target shooting, simple as child's play. It's not like the armed forces or anything make a big deal about how well you can shoot a gun. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
You're missing my point, which is that if a kid can do it very well without any training, is it really worthy of being an Olympic sport? |
Yeah, target shooting, simple as child's play. It's not like the armed forces or anything make a big deal about how well you can shoot a gun. |
Actually, I doubt the military would make a big deal out of shooting targets at 50meters with an air gun. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
You're missing my point, which is that if a kid can do it very well without any training, is it really worthy of being an Olympic sport? |
Yeah, target shooting, simple as child's play. It's not like the armed forces or anything make a big deal about how well you can shoot a gun. |
Actually, I doubt the military would make a big deal out of shooting targets at 50meters with an air gun. |
Exactly. 25 to 50m is the distance we used to sight our rifles. First time I did that, it took the trainer an hour to figure out that I wasn't hitting the target once, I was placing five in the same hole. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
You're missing my point, which is that if a kid can do it very well without any training, is it really worthy of being an Olympic sport? |
Yeah, target shooting, simple as child's play. It's not like the armed forces or anything make a big deal about how well you can shoot a gun. |
Actually, I doubt the military would make a big deal out of shooting targets at 50meters with an air gun. |
Exactly. 25 to 50m is the distance we used to sight our rifles. First time I did that, it took the trainer an hour to figure out that I wasn't hitting the target once, I was placing five in the same hole. |
So then the issue isn't that shooting is a sport. The issue is the weapon used and the distance to target. Which I agree that 50m with an air pistol seems a bit suspect.
But then again if it was that easy, we'd all be Olympians. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not that it's "easy," it's that it seems to require very little athleticism to do it. I'm sure it's hard to do what they do. But I just don't see it as a sport. If they were hitting those targets while running arund and those guns were really heavy or something, it'd make more sense to me to call it a sport. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| It's not that it's "easy," it's that it seems to require very little athleticism to do it. I'm sure it's hard to do what they do. But I just don't see it as a sport. If they were hitting those targets while running arund and those guns were really heavy or something, it'd make more sense to me to call it a sport. |
True, they should just do a summer biathlon. Running/Cycling/Swimming or some such + rifle. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
| Better to have them shoot at targets than to have competitions with them sniping down people. |
You're missing my point, which is that if a kid can do it very well without any training, is it really worthy of being an Olympic sport? |
Yeah, target shooting, simple as child's play. It's not like the armed forces or anything make a big deal about how well you can shoot a gun. |
Actually, I doubt the military would make a big deal out of shooting targets at 50meters with an air gun. |
Exactly. 25 to 50m is the distance we used to sight our rifles. First time I did that, it took the trainer an hour to figure out that I wasn't hitting the target once, I was placing five in the same hole. |
So then the issue isn't that shooting is a sport. The issue is the weapon used and the distance to target. Which I agree that 50m with an air pistol seems a bit suspect.
But then again if it was that easy, we'd all be Olympians. |
Again, missing the point. Look at my first comment.
Or maybe you like running in circles. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| It's not that it's "easy," it's that it seems to require very little athleticism to do it. I'm sure it's hard to do what they do. But I just don't see it as a sport. If they were hitting those targets while running arund and those guns were really heavy or something, it'd make more sense to me to call it a sport. |
Yes, that's partly why I brought it up. So, they can hold their breath for a fraction of a second and they know how to sight their very fancy airguns. I'm underwhelmed. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Although I support the idea of scrapping indoor airconditioned air pistol in favor of "Summer Biathlon" I'll give a defense of the sport.
1)It's not as easy as it looks. 12ax7 mentioned that he did it with a rifle. This is with a pistol. With one hand. Unsupported from a standing position.
2)You don't just shoot 5 rounds. You shoot 40-60. Over a period of possibly an hour. That is somewhat fatiguing.
3)Reflexes are nerve steadiness are part of athleticism. Just as certain track & field events focus on very narrow skills, so does this.
4)The argument that kids can do it doesn't seem to rear its head when it comes to gymnastics.
But yeah, jazz it up. Watching the world's best do a triathlon + carrying a rifle at the same time and having to shoot would certainly be entertaining. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Although I support the idea of scrapping indoor airconditioned air pistol in favor of "Summer Biathlon" I'll give a defense of the sport.
1)It's not as easy as it looks. 12ax7 mentioned that he did it with a rifle. This is with a pistol. With one hand. Unsupported from a standing position.
2)You don't just shoot 5 rounds. You shoot 40-60. Over a period of possibly an hour. That is somewhat fatiguing.
3)Reflexes are nerve steadiness are part of athleticism. Just as certain track & field events focus on very narrow skills, so does this.
4)The argument that kids can do it doesn't seem to rear its head when it comes to gymnastics.
But yeah, jazz it up. Watching the world's best do a triathlon + carrying a rifle at the same time and having to shoot would certainly be entertaining. |
1) They have both at the Olympics (have a 10 m event with the rifle...10m, for crying out loud!). Have you seen the rifles they use? Obviously not.
2) 5x8 or 12 (can't remember how many times they had me shoot at that target before they realized what was really going on). I clearly recall changing the magazine once, so it's anywhere between 35 to 70 rounds.
3) It's easy to me. I guess I'm an athlete, then.
4) I'm not talking about gymnastics, am I? Besides, that's child abuse. Different story.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2012/07/27/2003538748 |
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chasmmi
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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I would consider accuracy to be an Olympic worthy skill thus shooting/archery etc have a place.
I think it was a good thing to remove baseball as there are not enough nations that care about it at a decent standard for it to be anything more than a fight between USA, Japan and Korea (and more 2 other countries).
Basketball on the other hand is much more global and thus has a place so long as no silly under 23 rules are put in. That is my issue with Olympic football, it should either be totally pro or removed in my opinion.
For me a sport can justify an Olympic spot if the following criteria can be matched:
a) There is a specific and clear skill required, be that speed/strength/accuracy/fighting skills etc.
b) There is a global competitiveness to the sport, (one nation domination is fine [eg: China and Tabletennis] but not a sport that only 5 or 6 nations take seriously like Baseball, American Football, Cricket or Darts)
c) It can easily be played in any nation around the world and the events can be completed within a fortnight.
d) Both the male and female incarnations of the sport can attract an audience (my issue with Synchro Swimming and Rhythmic Gymnastics)
Personally I feel that almost every sport currently in the Olympic programme has a place (anything can be reduced to a kiddie game style description if one wishes to),
the sports I would like to see added are:
Squash (maybe coming to Rio)
Rugby (Will be in Rio)
Cue Sports
Carting/Rallying (With a single car supplier for all drivers) |
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