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Kuval
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: Is there a Recession in the ESL market? |
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Every recruiter I talk to is saying the same thing.
I'm a male, I have no prior experience, I have my BA and that's apparently not enough to teach in a place like Busan or Seoul. I've been searching for a few months now and I cannot ever seem to get in touch with anyone about getting any of these jobs.
The recruiters I talk to begin to appear to apply for them, but then shortly after- they seem to disappear and the job prospect has vanished- on to the next school.
What is the story here? |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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They want you to sign with the school they want you to, because they want to make as much money as fast as possible.
There's no recession and there's plenty of good AND bad jobs to be had. The onus is on you to wade through the muck that pays the recruiters lots of money. |
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cappy00
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty much in the same exact boat my friend. I actually had a GEPIK job in a city near Seoul as late as July. At the last minute, even after I had my VISA confirmation number, I had the rug pulled out from under me and I was told that the school lost the funding to hire me. I had an interview lined up for a school yesterday as well as one today and both of them cancelled an hour before the interview saying they found someone else already in Korea.
I'm kind of out of ideas at this point. I was planning on teaching at a public school this September, but it's looking more and more dismal. I really don't want to wait until February and jump through all the immigration hoops all over again either. Ugh. |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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i'm a male with a BA and not north american. they told me the same lies when i started applying back in 2008.
'have you heard of masan - it's great'....
'i only want seoul or busan'
'there are no jobs at all in seoul. every school is completely full. you must take the masan job'
click.
apply directly to schools, use craigslist, keep using recruiters but don't trust a word of what they say. good luck |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Use another recruiter. But, that said, there are more young Americans here because of the recession in the US. So, you will have to be less picky now compared to before. |
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Guajiro
Joined: 04 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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fezmond wrote: |
i'm a male with a BA and not north american. they told me the same lies when i started applying back in 2008.
'have you heard of masan - it's great'....
'i only want seoul or busan'
'there are no jobs at all in seoul. every school is completely full. you must take the masan job'
click.
apply directly to schools, use craigslist, keep using recruiters but don't trust a word of what they say. good luck |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There are plenty of other cities in Korea. I'd rather find a good school in any city than a so so school in Seoul or Busan. I think if you're so picky about location that you won't even consider other cities you deserve what you get. |
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Kuval
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Guajiro wrote: |
fezmond wrote: |
i'm a male with a BA and not north american. they told me the same lies when i started applying back in 2008.
'have you heard of masan - it's great'....
'i only want seoul or busan'
'there are no jobs at all in seoul. every school is completely full. you must take the masan job'
click.
apply directly to schools, use craigslist, keep using recruiters but don't trust a word of what they say. good luck |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There are plenty of other cities in Korea. I'd rather find a good school in any city than a so so school in Seoul or Busan. I think if you're so picky about location that you won't even consider other cities you deserve what you get. |
Well, I'm at about my wit's end here. How do I find these schools that are in need? I've been looking on this website and I just never seem to get replies. I'm striking out non-stop here, and I'm really leaning towards believing that I'm going to be pooched if I don't accept one of these other jobs. |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Guajiro wrote: |
fezmond wrote: |
i'm a male with a BA and not north american. they told me the same lies when i started applying back in 2008.
'have you heard of masan - it's great'....
'i only want seoul or busan'
'there are no jobs at all in seoul. every school is completely full. you must take the masan job'
click.
apply directly to schools, use craigslist, keep using recruiters but don't trust a word of what they say. good luck |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There are plenty of other cities in Korea. I'd rather find a good school in any city than a so so school in Seoul or Busan. I think if you're so picky about location that you won't even consider other cities you deserve what you get. |
i fully agree that there are plenty of other cities but i wanted either of those two during my first year. plenty of good jobs in either one and other cities. the hard part is knowing what's a good school and what's not, especially if you're in your home country.
keep trying OP, you'll get something. i believe this is somewhat of a lull time for jobs, just keep plugging away |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Location: Jongno
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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The best way to find jobs in Seoul or Busan for people with limited or no experience is, if you can afford it, to get your documents in order and fly over here to hit the pavement. As long as you're relying on intermediaries you're going to be at their mercy when placing you. |
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Kuval
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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As well, I'm not super picky on the location. I want to work in the northwest- which includes areas like Suwon, Incheon, Ilsan, and around Gyeonggi... but they say there is nothing there. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a Recession in the ESL market? |
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Kuval wrote: |
Every recruiter I talk to is saying the same thing.
I'm a male, I have no prior experience, I have my BA and that's apparently not enough to teach in a place like Busan or Seoul. I've been searching for a few months now and I cannot ever seem to get in touch with anyone about getting any of these jobs.
The recruiters I talk to begin to appear to apply for them, but then shortly after- they seem to disappear and the job prospect has vanished- on to the next school.
What is the story here? |
Seoul and Busan are going to be more difficult to get into especially if you have no edge over the many others trying to get in.
Main question is, do you have all your documents ready to send? |
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Kuval
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a Recession in the ESL market? |
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isitts wrote: |
Kuval wrote: |
Every recruiter I talk to is saying the same thing.
I'm a male, I have no prior experience, I have my BA and that's apparently not enough to teach in a place like Busan or Seoul. I've been searching for a few months now and I cannot ever seem to get in touch with anyone about getting any of these jobs.
The recruiters I talk to begin to appear to apply for them, but then shortly after- they seem to disappear and the job prospect has vanished- on to the next school.
What is the story here? |
Seoul and Busan are going to be more difficult to get into especially if you have no edge over the many others trying to get in.
Main question is, do you have all your documents ready to send? |
Yeah man, I have EVERYTHING ready to go. And I've been vaccinated too. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a Recession in the ESL market? |
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Kuval wrote: |
isitts wrote: |
Seoul and Busan are going to be more difficult to get into especially if you have no edge over the many others trying to get in.
Main question is, do you have all your documents ready to send? |
Yeah man, I have EVERYTHING ready to go. And I've been vaccinated too. |
Well, then I wouldn't sweat it too much. Keep at it. I'd slipped through the hands of a few schools before landing one the first time I came over. Took me a while to find something... though I was particular to public schools and location...and it was before everyone was climbing over each other to get into Korea to escape the bad economy back home.
I would take your mind off of Seoul or Busan unless you really have something the other applicants don't.
...Or find better recruiters who will work with you.
Anyway, good luck! |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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I love it when ever somebody has a hard time in finding a job, they blame something on the Economy. Well it is a little true. The are many factors from a multitude that effects the market.
A thought just came to me. The problem with many people who can not find jobs is they are fishing. The add some bait to the line and through it into the lake. Then wait and hope for a bite. When nothing happens it must be the lake is empty.
People need to learn to hunt. Sending out resumes and checking with recruiters can only take you so far. If you can, best advice is to get out from behind the computer. Go look. Knock on doors. Talk to everybody about leads. Go back and back again.
Well not a option for the OP. You need to stop waiting for replies. Go out there yourself using the Internet. Learn the process yourself to get an E2. Join a multitude of facebook groups and forums. Network....
Consider calling yourself. Some money with Skype and you could call recruiters and schools. Phone calls are a little harder to ignore then one email in a bunch of emails. Find out what you think is hampering your search. OK you are not in Korea. But if you know everything to do and have everything needed and all that needs to be done is a contract and them send a plane ticket. Done.
Good Luck |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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even after I had my VISA confirmation number, I had the rug pulled out from under me and I was told that the school lost the funding to hire me |
This happened in 2009 with SMOE. GEPIK is in flux right now because the provincial board cut the entire NSET budget. Schools and cities have had to scramble to see what they could do if they wanted to keep a FT in their school.
Next, it seemed to me every Tom, Dick, and Mary I met in Korea this last time had one of those quicky online TESOL certificates or were in the process of getting one or were planning on it. And people with that are going to get jobs more easily. I don't particularly like it, but that's life.
Add to that being picky about specific areas you want to teach, and you'll just have to adjust your time table.
Or, broaden out your search. I think first timers should be open to anywhere in Korea....
Come over and see what it is like. You'll likely conclude being in or close to Seoul or Busan isn't a must --- that given Korea's size and amount of transportation, any sizable city will do fine.
And after a year of experience under your belt, if you decide you must have Seoul or Busan or suburbs of either, you stand a much better chance of landing one of those jobs with experience and being in country.
And hakwons are always a crap shoot.
It is hard to tell a good one from a bad one even in country. The best you can do is talk to people who work at it. Even then, things can turn badly in a heart beat - especially in bad economic times. You do stand a better chance of finding an adequate hakwon if you are in Korea, but not being in country shouldn't cause you to mark hakwons off your list.
Nothing is a safe thing in the hakwon industry, and this year the stability within the public school jobs has been sorely shaken.
Thus is the world of TESOL in Korea... |
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