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Can my hagwon director refuse to give me a Letter of Release

 
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ihmlaiwtd



Joined: 14 Mar 2012

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Can my hagwon director refuse to give me a Letter of Release Reply with quote

Is this legal? I've read conflicting things on this and other sites. I've read it's no necessary. I've read a LOR is necessary. I've read he can refuse and that's that. Nothing I can do. I've read it is illegal for him to refuse to issue a LOR and I should contact the Labor Board.

Does anyone have a clear answer or a link the relevant bits of the law in English?

This is mid-contract, by the way.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't have to, but there easier ways I understand to get around this. Depending on your situation, you might not need one. Worry more about your situation than one piece of ammo your school can use against you.

What is your situations? Details.
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ihmlaiwtd



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My situation is the classic bad hagwon job: a psychopath director who refuses to honor the contract's clearly stated working hours, constantly lies to all the teachers, etc. A bad school with high teacher turnover. I want out. Told him so a month ago. He promised me a Letter of Release. I promised to stay on until the end of August, giving him time to find a new teacher and me a new job.

He's now refusing me the Letter of Release and I'm thinking of pulling the nuclear option and simply walking out today.

The point is I tried being professional and reasonable, but I now realize I am dealing with a psychopathic reptile and reasonable negotiating is pointless.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://stopteachinginkorea.blogspot.dk/2012/06/d10-visa-teacher-protection.html

"The new D10 is a "job hunting" visa. It permits teachers who stay in country after finishing or resigning from a job to transfer to another school without haviing to request new documents and reapply for a work visa."
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use all your ammo on him, threaten to walk out due to breach of contract and leave the school to be reamed by parents and the other teachers, whatever. If none of it sticks, just switch to a D-10 visa and find a new job. Good luck, man.
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zombiedog



Joined: 03 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do you "just switch to a d10"? You just go down to immigration and say "I'd like to get on a D10."?

I wonder because I've never heard a straight answer on this.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zombiedog wrote:
how do you "just switch to a d10"? You just go down to immigration and say "I'd like to get on a D10."?

I wonder because I've never heard a straight answer on this.


I think there is fair to good chance to get one if you are fired, and little or no chance (at least less) if you just get up and leave). I am not claiming expertise on this one, just my gut feeling.

"You see officer, I hate my hagwon owner, so I just got up and left the school one day leaving them without a teacher." Evil or Very Mad (doesn't sound good if I were hearing that)

"I just got fired, here is my notice of termination, I would like to find another school." Very Happy

More sensible:

"I just got fired, here is my notice of termination, and here is a signed contract from a new employer I would like to work for." Wink

This would eliminate the need for a D10 altogether. Look for the job ahead of time. Will we ever reach that stage?
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zombiedog wrote:
how do you "just switch to a d10"? You just go down to immigration and say "I'd like to get on a D10."?

I wonder because I've never heard a straight answer on this.


The D-10 is a great idea, but the OP needs a LOR. No LOR, no D-10.

The OP is confusing LOR with another legally obligated document. Employers are legally obligated to provide a "Certificate of Employment". It is a basic just the facts reference letter.

Employers are not obligated to provide a LOR.

As said there may be other options in transferring job to a new school. I am am confused on the details. Somethings to do with labour board permission. Another is being legally terminated.

Good Luck
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Mr Lee's Monkey



Joined: 24 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:19 am    Post subject: No LOR, No D10 Reply with quote

Hey Skippy,
Who gave you this information?
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Re: No LOR, No D10 Reply with quote

Mr Lee's Monkey wrote:
Hey Skippy,
Who gave you this information?


It is what I have gathered from time here on ESL cafe. This argument has come up a few times. Once again some people confuse the work certificate with LOR. With work certificate people have the law behind them with Labour Standards Act Article 39.

With LOR, not really stated in any laws. There are proper ways to fire a person with giving notice, just cause and so on. The thing is expat teachers are outside the norm. Most Korean do not need a LOR. People on visas do, as immigration is asking for it.

Yes, it is unfair at times. Person can be fired but then have to leave country. Once again I have heard people have been able to transfer if they had some sort of paper from the labour department. Another way is being properly fired/let go and immigration being informed. Then teacher can possibly transfer to a new job. Once again short on the details.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certificate of employment = employer is legally obligated to provide it during and up to 3 years after cessation of employment.

Written termination of employment = employer is legally obligated to provide it IF you are terminated for managerial reasons. They are not obligated to provide it if you quit.

LOR (letter of release) = employer is NOT legally obligated to provide it
BUT
They ARE legally obligated to notify immigration of your change of status (termination of employment and sponsorship) within 14 days of your termination.

You do need proof of termination (either employer confirmation or labor board confirmation (in the case of a labor dispute with labor board case pending)) to be able to transfer to a new employer or switch to a D10.

IF you don't want that particular hassle then your remaining option is to: i) order new documents
ii) leave Korea and hand in your ARC on the way out to cancel your status of sojourn (leaving you free and clear of past employers).
iii) return and start the search for a new job.
iv) begin the visa application process from scratch with a new employer.
v) get a new visa confirmation number
vi) do a visa run to Japan (new employer's expense) and get a new E2.
OR
Change countries. There are no shortage of jobs in EFL for anyone who qualified for an E2 in Korea and if you look for them you can find jobs with comparable SAVINGS and similar or better benefits in other countries in Asia.

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