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What Foods Make Us Fat?
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Korean doctor told me "Americans have a weird and inaccurate nutrition knowledge".

I agreed, Americans have all these goofy scientific theories and scientists are treaded like gods. But they change their goofy theories every year...because the scientists are owned by corporations and there is a new product to sell every year.

Basically ignore everything that comes out of the USA on nutrition. Listen to people from countries where people are healthy. What works works. Screw the scientists.
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NilesQ



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugar, flour, and wheat are foods that create cravings in many people. The elimination of these 3 ingredients can prompt rapid fat loss and a return to normal size even in morbidly obese people.

I have been attending a 12 step program called Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous. Their basic concept is that food addiction is an allergy to flour and sugar that sets up an uncontrolable craving to eat more. Eliminate these things from your diet, follow a food plan, and weigh and measure your food. These are the keys to freedom from compulsive eating.

Not everyone is a food addict, but most severely overweight people probably qualify. It is not uncomon to see people lose 100 + pounds by doing this, often in as little as 8 months. The food plan provides a lot of food, but it is all meat, vegetables, beans, fruit, and natural unprocessed foods with no refined sugar or flour.

It appears similar to the Paleo diet in terms of the types of food eaten. Eat natural foods as close to their natural state as possible.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Carolla wrote:
People who spout the "burn more than you take in" mantra are missing the point.


Clearly. The "whatever as long as you burn more than you take in" and other theories are whack. Theory doesn�t count for anything. The existance of a healthy population proves what works.

I've never heard Koreans say these crazy theories, only Westerners. For example I have heard Western body builders say "you can eat any time of the day, even a whole pizza at 11PM, as long as you burn more than you take in". Yet every Korean says don't eat after dinner and never right before bed! Koreans know based on wisdom which has been passed down for thousands of years and has been proven to work.

Korean diet, loaded with carbs, they are eating 2x the veggies for every 1x of meat. But it�s veggie carbs. Only enough meat to sustain the body. Opposite of high protein low fat. They don't get fat.

Okinawa�s diet was also a very high carb diet; sweet potato, green/yellow veggies, rice, it was 85% carb! They didn't get fat and lived to 100.

There's way more to nature's workings than some silly formula.

Yet the Americans go "low carb" or "low fat" or "whatever as long as burn > intake" and still get fat no matter what they do! Haha. Clearly they are way wrong about something in their formula. Maybe they forgot to carry the one?
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:

Korean diet, loaded with carbs, they are eating 2x the veggies for every 1x of meat. But it�s veggie carbs. Only enough meat to sustain the body. Opposite of high protein low fat. They don't get fat.

Okinawa�s diet was also a very high carb diet; sweet potato, green/yellow veggies, rice, it was 85% carb! They didn't get fat and lived to 100.

There has a been a big debate about carbs. It may be that carbs per se are not the problem but going on a low carb diet forces people cut out all the processed crap that food manufacturers have engineered to be addictive. Food manufacturers know that the right combinations of sugar, salt, fat, and flavor can lead to cravings and make it more likely that people will overindulge in their products. That's why almost any traditional pre 20th Century diet is likely to be healthier and less fattening than the modern day American diet. I think people could lose weight if they cooked their own meals at home more often instead of relying on ready made food or eating out.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
The existance of a healthy population proves what works.

I've never heard Koreans say these crazy theories, only Westerners. For example I have heard Western body builders say "you can eat any time of the day, even a whole pizza at 11PM, as long as you burn more than you take in". Yet every Korean says don't eat after dinner and never right before bed! Koreans know based on wisdom which has been passed down for thousands of years and has been proven to work.


You seem to have a negative take on Americans as a population when it comes to health.
You also seem to have something against bodybuilders?

American bodybuilders are among the best in the world.
They have "different needs" than the average person.

A young bodybuilder can eat a pizza at 11pm and have that work for him.
An aging bodybuilder would have digestion problems...as would most people.
Not eating late at night is a universal given...it isn't thousands of years of knowledge exclusive to Koreans...your post is wickedly biased in that area...just saying.

Bodybuilding does not equal healthy...that isn't their goal.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
Adam Carolla wrote:
People who spout the "burn more than you take in" mantra are missing the point.


Clearly. The "whatever as long as you burn more than you take in" and other theories are whack. Theory doesn�t count for anything. The existance of a healthy population proves what works.

I've never heard Koreans say these crazy theories, only Westerners. For example I have heard Western body builders say "you can eat any time of the day, even a whole pizza at 11PM, as long as you burn more than you take in". Yet every Korean says don't eat after dinner and never right before bed! Koreans know based on wisdom which has been passed down for thousands of years and has been proven to work.

Korean diet, loaded with carbs, they are eating 2x the veggies for every 1x of meat. But it�s veggie carbs. Only enough meat to sustain the body. Opposite of high protein low fat. They don't get fat.

Okinawa�s diet was also a very high carb diet; sweet potato, green/yellow veggies, rice, it was 85% carb! They didn't get fat and lived to 100.

There's way more to nature's workings than some silly formula.

Yet the Americans go "low carb" or "low fat" or "whatever as long as burn > intake" and still get fat no matter what they do! Haha. Clearly they are way wrong about something in their formula. Maybe they forgot to carry the one?



There are genetic factors involved as well. Some people are genetically

programmed to be fatter than others. I'm not talking racial lines either.

I know some who can eat whatever they want, whenever they want,and do as little as possible - yet they still are as slim as a post.

You can work to fight against your genetic programming, but just because something works for 1 person, does not mean it will work for everyone.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a web-site some of you might be interested in:

http://www.fatwars.com/faq.html

I read Brad King's book and it answered a lot of questions.

Cheers

In answer to Edwardcatflap's question I am posting this excerpt

from the site.


Question:
I am trying to calculate calories as per Fat Wars pages 182 to 187 (Cdn Edition). I have determined my body fat is 20 percent. (Height between 5 feet 11 inches & 6 feet, weight 205 to 210 lbs.) I subtract 20 from my weight of 205 lbs and get the result 185. I exercise more than 3 times per week so I multiply 185 X 1.15 = 212 grams of protein/day. This translates to 850 calories of protein/day. Since fat calories equals protein calories, 850 calories of fat/day. To calculate carbo calories (212 X 1.3) = 275 grams of carbos/day. Each gram contains 4 calories so we get 1100 carbo calories/day. This totals 2800 calories per day.
My question is: Is this not too high?? I thought a normal intake of calories was between 1500 and 2500 calories.

Answer:
I appreciate your concern regarding your daily-allotted calories. There is no �set normal� range for caloric needs as everyone is biochemically unique. In your particular situation, if you are indeed at a 20% body fat percentage then your calculations are correct. many people tend to panic due to the belief that you must consume a greatly decreased caloric intake to see fat loss. This assumption is however incorrect. In order to feed your lean body mass and increase your metabolic rate, you must supply enough high quality protein to your muscle cells (which is why I have you calculate your protein needs based on lean body mass first).
If you are overly concerned about your caloric value, then feel free to lower it to 2500 calories and see how you do at that value. The last thing you want to do is cause your metabolic rate to adjust in a downward fashion. This is exactly what low-calorie diets induce. What you are trying to accomplish with Fat Wars, is to increase your overall metabolic rate by allowing enough calories to nourish your body all the while utilizing any excess calories through the exercise portion of the program. This way you insure lifelong fat loss success.

Please keep me informed on your progress.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
The existance of a healthy population proves what works.

I've never heard Koreans say these crazy theories, only Westerners. For example I have heard Western body builders say "you can eat any time of the day, even a whole pizza at 11PM, as long as you burn more than you take in". Yet every Korean says don't eat after dinner and never right before bed! Koreans know based on wisdom which has been passed down for thousands of years and has been proven to work.


You seem to have a negative take on Americans as a population when it comes to health.
You also seem to have something against bodybuilders?

American bodybuilders are among the best in the world.
They have "different needs" than the average person.

A young bodybuilder can eat a pizza at 11pm and have that work for him.
An aging bodybuilder would have digestion problems...as would most people.
Not eating late at night is a universal given...it isn't thousands of years of knowledge exclusive to Koreans...your post is wickedly biased in that area...just saying.

Bodybuilding does not equal healthy...that isn't their goal.


Lay off the pizza. Way too much sodium and cholesterol. Take it from me, an aging bodybuilder who knows a thing or two about physiology and biochemistry.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
Lay off the pizza. Way too much sodium and cholesterol. Take it from me, an aging bodybuilder who knows a thing or two about physiology and biochemistry.


Sure...if/when health is the goal...but that wasn't the point being made in the earlier post.
That post was referencing two entirely different animals....health and vanity.

It is hard to deny that young bodybuilders can eat just about whatever they want, whenever they want...and with the right training, trainer, and 'supplementation'...can still manage to show up on stage in absolutely stunning form.
Age being the single most important factor...where bodybuilding is concerned.

As you well know...the smart aging bodybuilders often learn to avoid such behavior when health issues become more important than vanity issues.

Ahh...to be forever young.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc-a1kP7ITA
Not the original vid...but the song is.
For some reason many of Bob's original videos and tunes are 'missing' from youtube these days.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to do with vanity for me, though. It's all about the endorphin rush I get after I've achieved "the pump", as Ah-nold would have said. That's why I've never felt the urge to destroy my liver with horse pills.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:

Yet the Americans go "low carb" or "low fat" or "whatever as long as burn > intake" and still get fat no matter what they do! Haha. Clearly they are way wrong about something in their formula. Maybe they forgot to carry the one?


I'd suggest that the individuals who burn more than they intake don't get fat, whereas the individuals who intake more than they burn do get fat. I find it very, very, very hard to believe that if you eat less than you actually burn in calories, you have any chance in hell of gaining weight.

Are you making the common mistake of treating individual cases as if they are something happening to a mythical "superindividual" who is meant to represent an entire group? That happens a lot around here.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
There are genetic factors involved as well. Some people are genetically programmed to be fatter than others.


Sure, genes just comes from time. If you are thin and you pig out, and your kids pig out, and your kids kids pig out. Then your kids kids kids will be born pigs and say "it's genetics!".
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

Yet the Americans go "low carb" or "low fat" or "whatever as long as burn > intake" and still get fat no matter what they do! Haha. Clearly they are way wrong about something in their formula. Maybe they forgot to carry the one?


I'd suggest that the individuals who burn more than they intake don't get fat, whereas the individuals who intake more than they burn do get fat. I find it very, very, very hard to believe that if you eat less than you actually burn in calories, you have any chance in hell of gaining weight.


Yeah, heard it all before. I'm suggesting that people in the West don't know as much as they think they know about how nature works, or else it would be evident in the results.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
The existance of a healthy population proves what works.

I've never heard Koreans say these crazy theories, only Westerners. For example I have heard Western body builders say "you can eat any time of the day, even a whole pizza at 11PM, as long as you burn more than you take in". Yet every Korean says don't eat after dinner and never right before bed! Koreans know based on wisdom which has been passed down for thousands of years and has been proven to work.


You seem to have a negative take on Americans as a population when it comes to health.


Is this post for real? Confused
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